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IS JESUS CHRIST REALY LUCIFER?

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Messenger: Eboni Yehuda Sent: 9/12/2008 4:26:41 PM
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If we read in Isaiah 14:12-13 it states that Satan was the "MORNING STAR". However when we read in Revelations 22:16 Jesus Christ says that he is the "MORNING STAR".

Also the scriptures say that Lucifer will mascarade as an "ANGEL OF THE LIGHT". We know this is true, becuase he was known as the "Angel of the light( meaning the truth bearer). YAH put all truth in him as a ruler of this planet. His job was to lead manking in the truth and wisdom of YAH. But he became puffed up, and began to see himself equall to YAH.

Now we must ask......if LUCIFER (SATAN) was to decieve the whole world as an angel of the light.....then who would that be?

Did not JC claim to be "THE WAY, AND THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE", Did he not also say. "I AM THE LIGHT TO THE WORLD"?


So my question is this. Why does the world worship a man who said he is LUCIFER?

Or am I missing something here?


Please can anyone explain this?


Messenger: Elijah Sent: 9/12/2008 5:29:00 PM
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Greetings

Just for explanation, meaning of Lucifer is "The one who brings the light or the one who curry out the light (means doesn't generate it just curry like a fiberoptics)" That name doesn't appear in Bible, came later in literature (InI dont remember now, but it was some medival story).

Morning star is Venus known also under the name of Lucifer. At the end of August, Venus rises just before the sunrise, so as a symbol represents coming of the Sun (true light). "Lucifer son of the morning..." because just before sunrise night is the darkest, so the evil forces are the strongest.

InI think that it might be the meaning "morning star", as Christ came to earth as the Son (Venus) who comes first in the dark night just before the Father (Sun) to bring the light, but it is just symbolic interpretation, which InI believe is true.

The I don't have to be confuse with that, InI know where that interpretation of Christ - Lucifer story is coming from, it is old ocultist trickery, leave it I.

InI wouldnt go so stright with that interpretation of Christ - Lucifer relation, the I need to clear the terms before seting hard statements. Lucifer as InI said is just name and in medival times some monk made up story and called that name an devil, so InI wouldn't stick to it, it is not supreme name or something it is more folk story then real misterious being, which has it names in the Bible and it is nothing good to bring it up, as every word got its power.

To late to reason more now.

Forward to Zion

Blessed Love
Love RasTafarI





Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 9/12/2008 7:39:50 PM
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Some organizations that claim to worship Iyasus like the Vatican worship Lucifer in secret.

Here is the scripture that speaks of Lucifer

Isaiah 14:12

[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
[16] They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
[17] That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
[18] All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
[19] But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.



Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 9/12/2008 7:45:28 PM
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Emperor Haile Selassie I praised Iyasus Christ and he certainly did not praise Lucifer, Haile Selassie I JAH RASTAFARI worshiped the true Iyasus and not the false JeZeus that the Vatican decieves people with.


Messenger: Eboni Yehuda Sent: 9/12/2008 10:23:21 PM
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Thankyou my bredren, for the advice of the I have been taken.

I was just confused as to what a brother had shown me a while ago back....about 3 days ago or so. It bothered me, so I wanted to get some clarification.

But I thank the I for explaining it to I.

So now let I bless with power words of Haile Selassie I Jah Rastafari Empress Menen Bless the I's

One Love


Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 9/13/2008 4:21:22 PM
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Fire pon this post

It is unfortunate that i had to come here on the Sabbath to sight this.

It is unfortunate that after all that Emperor Haile Selassie I has taught you about Christ, the words of your "brother" would confuse you.
Where is your faith?
is it in HIM?
or who?

Fire again
His Imperial Majesty is Christ in Flesh
so when you ask ini, is Christ really lucifer, do you really know what you are asking ini?


Now, i know some idren will say to i, why are you burning fire on the sistren, she is just asking a question.
No matter, Fire is my reply to such questions.
If there is truth in you then do not fear, stand up in the fire,sistren


Messenger: Ras power Sent: 9/13/2008 9:42:15 PM
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fire, fire, and my fire is education, which shall burn the ignorance of the evil one.

my brethren you do not have to add words to scripture to attempt to confuse yourself as the brother say and attempt to cofuse ini.


12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations
(ISA)

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star(REV)


NOW IS THAT THE SAME; son of the morning; bright and morning star?

now the plan of satan if reveiled(ias 14)


12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?



many people think that the anti-christ will come and remove religon
yet the bible say that he sall come and sit in the house of god(church) appose all that is call God showing himself as god.

sorry to supprise u but thats the vatican church state. now other nation demands worship( not;usa, UN,china,)it is only the catholic church demands worship through their statments

pope leo x "we hold on this earth the place of almighty God"
-o salvation out side the church walls
-come to the church for forgivness
- go to mary and all their saints to ask them to ask christ

all go against the teaching of the bible and christ and his majesty
that believe on christ and u shall be saved

and how else could he come to fool people who choose to follow the most high, but to be in the secret place .

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not(matt 24)
he is a king(isa 9v6)

now there is a reason why His Majesty his majesty spoke of christ






Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 9/14/2008 11:05:02 AM
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"sorry to supprise u but thats the vatican church state. now other nation demands worship( not;usa, UN,china,)it is only the catholic church demands worship through their statments"

"and all the world wondered after the beast"

"and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,"...(Who do you think that is who will have the world worshiping the harlot beast?)

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
(who do you think can enforce this, the vatican or the UN/US?)

With all raspect brethren, do not bring the word "conspiracy" to ini again
Many who see you write about Rome think the same thing of you.
But you sight it, so its not a conspiracy to you
So why is it when another sights something that you dont sight yet,you call it conspiracy?
Is that hypocrisy?
I dont know, you might ask the iself that



Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 9/14/2008 12:31:38 PM
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A Catholic Wind in the White House


By Daniel Burke
Sunday, April 13, 2008; Page B02

Shortly after Pope Benedict XVI's election in 2005, President Bush met with a small circle of advisers in the Oval Office. As some mentioned their own religious backgrounds, the president remarked that he had read one of the new pontiff's books about faith and culture in Western Europe.

Save for one other soul, Bush was the only non-Catholic in the room. But his interest in the pope's writings was no surprise to those around him. As the White House prepares to welcome Benedict on Tuesday, many in Bush's inner circle expect the pontiff to find a kindred spirit in the president. Because if Bill Clinton can be called America's first black president, some say, then George W. Bush could well be the nation's first Catholic president.

This isn't as strange a notion as it sounds. Yes, there was John F. Kennedy. But where Kennedy sought to divorce his religion from his office, Bush has welcomed Roman Catholic doctrine and teachings into the White House and based many important domestic policy decisions on them.
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"I don't think there's any question about it," says Rick Santorum, former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania and a devout Catholic, who was the first to give Bush the "Catholic president" label. "He's certainly much more Catholic than Kennedy."

Bush attends an Episcopal church in Washington and belongs to a Methodist church in Texas, and his political base is solidly evangelical. Yet this Protestant president has surrounded himself with Roman Catholic intellectuals, speechwriters, professors, priests, bishops and politicians. These Catholics -- and thus Catholic social teaching -- have for the past eight years been shaping Bush's speeches, policies and legacy to a degree perhaps unprecedented in U.S. history.

"I used to say that there are more Catholics on President Bush's speechwriting team than on any Notre Dame starting lineup in the past half-century," said former Bush scribe -- and Catholic -- William McGurn.

Bush has also placed Catholics in prominent roles in the federal government and relied on Catholic tradition to make a public case for everything from his faith-based initiative to antiabortion legislation. He has wedded Catholic intellectualism with evangelical political savvy to forge a powerful electoral coalition.

"There is an awareness in the White House that the rich Catholic intellectual tradition is a resource for making the links between Christian faith, religiously grounded moral judgments and public policy," says Richard John Neuhaus, a Catholic priest and editor of the journal First Things who has tutored Bush in the church's social doctrines for nearly a decade.

In the late 1950s, Kennedy's Catholicism was a political albatross, and he labored to distance himself from his church. Accepting the Democratic nomination in 1960, he declared his religion "not relevant."

Bush and his administration, by contrast, have had no such qualms about their Catholic connections. At times, they've even seemed to brandish them for political purposes. Even before he got to the White House, Bush and his political guru Karl Rove invited Catholic intellectuals to Texas to instruct the candidate on the church's social teachings. In January 2001, Bush's first public outing as president in the nation's capital was a dinner with Washington's then-archbishop, Theodore McCarrick. A few months later, Rove (an Episcopalian) asked former White House Catholic adviser Deal Hudson to find a priest to bless his West Wing office.

"There was a very self-conscious awareness that religious conservatives had brought Bush into the White House and that [the administration] wanted to do what they had been mandated to do," says Hudson.

To conservative Catholics, that meant holding the line on same-sex marriage, euthanasia and embryonic stem cell research, and working to limit abortion in the United States and abroad while nominating judges who would eventually outlaw it. To make the case, Bush has often borrowed Pope John Paul II's mantra of promoting a "culture of life." Many Catholics close to him believe that the approximately 300 judges he has seated on the federal bench -- most notably Catholics John Roberts and Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court -- may yet be his greatest legacy.

Bush also used Catholic doctrine and rhetoric to push his faith-based initiative, a movement to open federal funding to grass-roots religious groups that provide social services to their communities. Much of that initiative is based on the Catholic principle of "subsidiarity" -- the idea that local people are in the best position to solve local problems. "The president probably knows absolutely nothing about the Catholic catechism, but he's very familiar with the principle of subsidiarity," said H. James Towey, former director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives who is now the president of a Catholic college in southwestern Pennsylvania. "It's the sense that the government is not the savior and that problems like poverty have spiritual roots."

Nonetheless, Bush is not without his Catholic critics. Some contend that his faith-based rhetoric is just small-government conservatism dressed up in religious vestments, and that his economic policies, including tax cuts for the rich, have created a wealth gap that clearly upends the Catholic principle of solidarity with the poor.

John Carr, a top public policy director for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, calls the Bush administration's legacy a "tale of two policies."
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"The best of the Bush administration can be seen in their work in development assistance on HIV/AIDS in Africa," says Carr. "In domestic policy, the conservatism trumps the compassion."

And other prominent Catholics charge the president with disregarding Rome's teachings on the Iraq war and torture. But even when he has taken actions that the Vatican opposes, such as invading Iraq, Bush has shown deference to church teachings. Before he sent U.S. troops into Baghdad to topple Saddam Hussein, he met with Catholic "theocons" to discuss just-war theory. White House adviser Leonard Leo, who heads Catholic outreach for the Republican National Committee, says that Bush "has engaged in dialogue with Catholics and shared perspectives with Catholics in a way I think is fairly unique in American politics."

Moreover, people close to Bush say that he has professed a not-so-secret admiration for the church's discipline and is personally attracted to the breadth and unity of its teachings. A New York priest who has befriended the president said that Bush respects the way Catholicism starts at the foundation -- with the notion that the papacy is willed by God and that the pope is Peter's successor. "I think what fascinates him about Catholicism is its historical plausibility," says this priest. "He does appreciate the systematic theology of the church, its intellectual cogency and stability." The priest also says that Bush "is not unaware of how evangelicalism -- by comparison with Catholicism -- may seem more limited both theologically and historically."

Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, another evangelical with an affinity for Catholic teaching, says that the key to understanding Bush's domestic policy is to view it through the lens of Rome. Others go a step further.

Paul Weyrich, an architect of the religious right, detects in Bush shades of former British prime minister Tony Blair, who converted to Catholicism last year. "I think he is a secret believer," Weyrich says of Bush. Similarly, John DiIulio, Bush's first director of faith-based initiatives, has called the president a "closet Catholic." And he was only half-kidding.

daniel.burke@religionnews.com

Daniel Burke is a national correspondent for Religion News Service.


Messenger: RasRanga Sent: 9/14/2008 1:46:51 PM
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Greetings ini breda and sistren.

Jah is one and He is spirit. Jesus said "eat my flesh and drink my blood" and He also said "the flesh profiteth nothing" and that "The words i have spoken are spirit and life", then the i overstand that the flesh is of this world and is ruled by this world, and the spirit is of Jah and ruled by Jah, thus ini live in this world but walketh not in flesh but by the irit of Jah! iverstand?!

The flesh is lucifer but the irit is JAh! the irit gives life and the flesh brineth death! christ (His words) bring life but being of the world brings death!

ONE LOVE INI
JAH RASTAFARI SELASSIE I


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