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Messenger: Alabaster ointmnt Sent: 10/24/2022 7:04:47 PM

was the bible written before ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs or was it the words of God that came forward first?

Messenger: Cedric Sent: 10/25/2022 12:01:15 PM

Bless Up Alabaster ointmnt

Most certainly the hieroglyphs from ancient Kemet are older than the bible. I have read excerpts from the "Egyptian Book of the Dead" which show very clearly where Moses received inspiration for the Ten Commandments. Kemet also was the first to teach InI of a monotheistic view, a singular and all powerful Almighty.

I dont have specific dates to sight, but I think if one studies the ancients one would agree Kemet and hieroglyphs came first. Ones could probably reason that the words of JAH came first even if hieroglyphs were written before the bible, as the word of JAH created InI into being, but I think that would be a deeper reasoning than the simple question "what was written first, hieroglyphs or the bible?"

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Messenger: Black heart Sent: 10/26/2022 6:38:21 AM

De word of Jah came first, bfore de hieroglyphs n bible. When de Dews arrive ina Egypt dem studied de words of Jah writen in ancient scrolls. When dem went back to Israel with de scrolls of life dem edited n write deir own books which later led to bible

Messenger: Black heart Sent: 10/26/2022 10:54:08 AM

De words of God Almighty is as old as when mankind was created. De first men were given de book of life by Almighty. Prophets of Jah distributed it to de people. Rastas were de first prophets of Jah. Dey were also known as de Levi to de people. Oneness

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 10/27/2022 9:48:26 AM

I have to agree with Cedric. The Israelites were not even a nation at the time when a lot of this earlier religious content was created. You can know that just from reading the bible itself. Before Israel even got its name or became 12 tribes it is clear that the family had different beliefs, influenced from the surrounding nations and cultures. Think about how Jacob goes to his uncle Laban and marries his cousins. The bible tells the story of how his wife took idols from her father's house which led to Laban tracking them down.

One of the stories that came before the bible was the Epic of Gilgamesh. This story tells a flood myth from the perspective of another culture. What we need to understand is that during these ancient times many stories were not "owned" by a single religion and if a certain belief system dominated an area it wasn't because it was necessarily organized or bullying others. Israel would have still had mixed beliefs if it wasn't for the authoritarian regime of Moses and his willingness to commit genocide on his own people who refused to submit to HIS (Moses's) authority. If anyone had different beliefs at that time they would have hidden it the same way that African slaves had to hide their beliefs and orishas as Catholic Saints.

We need to come to terms with the fact that some religions force themselves upon a people and threaten them into submission. When you have no choice it changes the whole dynamics of belief. What good is faith when you're forced to choose it? A lot of people have 2 choices.

Believe or die.

But this creates a 3rd what should be obvious choice. Hide. We think we know what all the Israelites believed but we don't. We know the "official" narrative. The official narrative is what was written by the government and yes, when it was convenient they showed that they were willing to edit their holy books. And this is because religion was used to control the people. It was a theocracy. All the political power that kings normally fought over was consolidated into a religious model. It was only because the people felt oppressed that they demanded a king. And so the theocracy had to elect a king and focus on trying to control him. And that didn't work then blame his human nature and lust for power. But that same corruption didn't begin with Saul. It began with Moses.

When the Israelites went into Egypt because of the famine, they would have died if it wasn't for the Egyptians. When Joseph greeted his brothers, the heads of the 12 tribes, who was it that enforced the belief in YHWH under pain of death? No one. They were free to believe as they wished. At this point everything was just a story that could be passed down. It wasn't organized into a religion.

"Check the script" as I used to say.

Try to find an instance, pre-Exodus, of a story where God told someone that he was the only true God and all others were fake. According to Genesis 3, at that point in time, gods could be used in a plural sense. If you didn't want people to believe other gods existed then why even call them gods? Why use the same word? Use a different word. But if we're thinking about it logically and critically then what we would expect to happen in a monotheistic belief really doesn't happen until very late in the story. It doesn't happen until a single individual steps up to take power over a great number of people. One God therefore coincides with one human authority for the Israelites. Ahkenaten tried to do the same thing in bringing monotheism to (or back to) Egypt.

Go to Genesis 17 where Jah is making this deal with Abraham. Does he introduce the idea that all the other gods are fake? No. He is basically the voice in Abraham's head saying that he will be Abraham's God and will be a god to his family. He didn't say "AND I'm going to use your family to fight the other families until only I am left to be called a god". There was no competition at this point. That's why it didn't even include Lot even though Lot was a blood relative.

What does this have to do with the age of stories?

Because everyone else was telling and hearing stories too. And it is only when gods were consolidated that these stories were ALSO consolidated. So if 5 different stories belonged to 5 different gods then if you were combining those 5 gods then what happened to those 5 stories? Weren't they also combined in the sense that they were now about the same god?

So through the process of superstition, Israel took the most popular stories and attributed them to their God. And they changed the stories in order to make that work. This is why Noah's flood sounds different from the Epic of Gilgamesh. You could call it cultural appropriation. And since every tribe of people had their own creation story, it's not like the Israelites could afford not to have one too. And their story sounds similar to others. And its not because other nations stole all their stories from Israel. No, their stories are older. Moses knew a lot of stories because he was educated in Egypt. Since he was educated by the priests he was able to do the things the priests could do. So that is where he heard the stories and so if he knew he needed to consolidate all of their gods and stories into one then Moses would have known that he needed to rewrite some of the stories he heard as well as the laws he learned. But it would have been obvious if he did this with the Egyptian stories because that's where they were living. But if he did this with the Canaanite stories.... ahhh... he could use their previous homeland to say "see? this is the God of our ancestors who commanded me to educate you."

And that is how we got the bible.

If you go back and analyze all the stories and laws from the Levant area you can see where Moses copied from. It's really not a hard thing to do.

Don't believe? Ok. Here's an example.

Job 41:1
Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

Psalm 104:26
There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.

Isaiah 27:1
In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Leviathan is an extremely famous mythical serpent/dragon from the Ugaritic sea monster Lôtā;;n as "the fugitive serpent" . And here Yahweh is basically a redesign of Hadad who was also called Ba'al. If you know your bible you already know that Ba'al is directly referenced by the bible which shows the still competing influence. Hadad was a storm God. He's often pictured as bearded and holding a lightning bolt because yes... Zeus is just another incarnation.

Of course we know Zeus lives on mount Olympus, right?

"In texts from Ugarit, El, the supreme god of the pantheon, resides on Mount Lel (perhaps meaning "Night") and it is there that the assembly of the gods meet."

This is why Moses goes up to the mountain and the people hear thunderings and see lightning. So this is how the biblical narrative got started in the first place. They simply consolidated ideas from the region and gave that composite a different name. This became Yah or Jah.

But wait...

Isn't this problematic? If you are religious your mind is going to want to fight this idea the same way Jacob fought with the angel all night (he was dreaming). You're going to want to argue with me and deny this is true. I understand. I've been there before. It's natural. We were always taught to take it literally so its like if your parents swore to you for 10 years that Santa was real and everyone reinforced that belief every year and your childish mind is full of wonder and mystery and imagination because of stories like this and then one day, all of a sudden Santa isn't real and suddenly you enter a world of adults where everyone knows it. It was just a belief. And its not your fault because society gave you that belief. But different parents don't feel obligated to follow society and eventually new religions come along and say "no we're not even going to get involved in that. Plus the original Santa mythology has some kind of black slave involved named 'Black Pete'.

And then you realize how powerful and pervasive stories actually are.

If you are spiritual then this isn't necessarily problematic at all. You already have an understanding of the power and pervasiveness of stories and you look for the meaning behind them because what matters to you is the writer's intent and the wisdom and knowledge conveyed using the story/myth/legend as simply the vehicle. Just as consciousness resides in a body, consciousness can reside in a story. You spread the story. You also spread the consciousness inside that story. This is why many pastors are actually atheists. No one tells you these things, but when they go through Seminary they are exposed to the depths of knowledge when it comes to the origins of their religion. And confronting that evidence is, again, like finding out Santa isn't real. But like many parents, they realize something.

"It doesn't matter!"

And they take that and they continue on to shepherd their congregations. But they're not afraid of God. They simply believe in the power of the story and the effect it can have on a person's life; the effect that belief and love can have on a person's life. So they don't get caught up in the competition or trying to prove that their religion is the "only true" religion. Because they honestly don't believe that and therefore they don't fight for that. That's something people do when they don't know; when they "still believe in Santa". And it's not a matter of being smart or stupid, wise or ignorant. It's really not. I have a sense of how smart I was when I believed the religious dogma and I'm now no smarter than that. I'm the same person with simply more information. And that's where the control comes in. Because religion has a motive to put blinders on each student to keep them from seeing behind the curtain. You think you're on a journey to see the Wizard and you're following the yellow brick road, but you're following a road someone else built which means they control where it goes. You don't even know who they are and yet you're investing your whole life following their lead because you believe it's taking you to see the Wizard.

But perhaps... again if you are spiritual... perhaps you notice that somewhere along the way that cowardly lion you were rolling with... at some point he gained some courage along the way. Maybe that tin man started caring about you. The real path is an inward path of enlightenment; a spiritual path. That path is always there whether the road is yellow bricks or streets of gold or jungle. That path is wherever you happen to be. We're the ones who make the path. We're the ones who make the road. We are the ones to tell the stories.

He that hath an ear...

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 10/27/2022 1:11:03 PM

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Messenger: Alabaster ointmnt Sent: 10/29/2022 1:16:28 PM

IN Africa I found ancient scriptures and scrolls depicting stories and mention of a God who was king of kings and lord of lords . I studied and rewrote the King James Version of the bible in Ethiopia with the Abunas . My Abunas . We gathered round scholars of old scholars of great from many faiths and many religions and we all came in to concordance about the Holy Bible . Orations and myths and stories were taken into account .And you know what everything came into alignment . I believed ,To invest so much time into this Yes to guide the minds and the hearts of my place love and satisfaction where it was once blank.About 18 years ago this was . Meeting with sheiks and Rabbis of the highest orders . Travelling to museums and the like. It was a beautiful thing delving into the word of God. Such peace ! I wonder why so many bun the bible . It seems as if each member has their own beliefs on why livity is and this ties into my other posts .Right Now I’m no scholar all has been placed into the back of my mind . But this journey remains in my heart . I chant Rastafari now because I have been let go from the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as I was too “devote” ahah. When I am in africa it is all about me and the lord , my studies and worship.I find many contradict themselves as rastas . Or choose not to follow all the teachings of HIM , that’s why I respect bobo shanti , so reverent and strict and disciplined. Priests and priestess they are . Thanks to all who posted , seeking clearity as I trod this path!

Messenger: IPXninja Sent: 11/7/2022 5:45:38 PM

"...mention of a God who was king of kings..."

The problem is that ancient is knowledge is segmented by devotees. The title "king of kings" can be worn by an Emperor. "lord of lords" is similar because lord = "master". So if a religion has a king... and that king conquers other lands with kings and either allows them to remain in power or replaces them with his own magistrates... then that king becomes a king over kings or "king of kings" and so his god automatically becomes a god over all those kings.

Now... we deal with the model of conquering nations far too much in my opinion. This model basically says that the strongest are able to rule by force. And it is by this same logic that many Europeans feel justified in the enslavement of black people, including forcing, in many cases, black people to worship their God. That is oppression, but they say they spread the gospel in love for the benefit of the whole world.

So... the point is that these titles... god, lord, king, father, master, teacher... are all based upon human power dynamics and the person holding that office doesn't have to be the same person just because they are called by the same office name/rank.

Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 11/27/2022 11:15:23 PM

The words of JAH came first.

Though not always written down.

The 66 books of a standard new and old testament combined bible started with Moses who was Hebrew and Prince of Egypt.
It ends with Revelation writtn by John of Patmos, likely one of the 12 diciples of Yeshua.

The words of God Allmighty are reflected, recorded, in the books as well as the heiroglyphics.

The written and recorded words and glyphics of all kinds out there are of no merit if we do not hear JAH within.....

Before Moses, Christ, King Tut and all, JAH was.

Rastafari is the root.

See how King Selassie visited the pyramids and ancient ruins of Egypt as well as Jesrusalem.....

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