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Rastafari and Capitalism, Socialism, Monarchism

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Messenger: seestem Sent: 6/16/2022 4:54:23 PM

Greetings Jah People.

InI know really well that rasta don't deal with isms and schisms. But weather InI like it or not economics is real and runs the world, where there is a group of people there needs to be structures and systems in place.

First should InI even use money? is that ital?

What is the ideal way to structure the economy for example in a rasta town?

InI suspect that most of us are anti-capitalists for obvious reasons, but what the your thoughts on socialism (apart from the fact that the derg/Mengistu was a socialist does that mean InI should reject socialism).

Or should InI strictly follow Monarchism since InI Hail the King and Queen?

Or is Rastafari completely different and in a category of it's own when it comes to economics, labor and governments?

Also what are ancient (Kemet, Kush, Great walls of Zimbabwe etc etc) ways to structure the economy and will it work in modern times (or can InI even update it with modern tech)?

Give thanks
Haile I Mennen I

Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 6/17/2022 12:17:36 AM

JAH will is for us to prosper whereever we are. The system does not matter if we have JAH blessing. Whatever society, economy or civilization one finds them self in, study it, know the game and do your best in it. Its always changing so to be ahead of the shifts instead of always catching up is ideal.

Education is key and all eat by the sweat of their brow. Righteousness is not a economic philosophy. Justice and service, being productive, doing good works regardless of the surrounding noise of political idealologies is what matters.

Extreme capitalism with no ethics is ugly. Extreme communisim is equally ir more ugly. Hell has many roads leading to it.

Capital and community the root words of capiatalism and communism can both be a blessing and is what all people need. The laws of the Monarchy or id say Theocracy, where God is king and lawgiver is ultimate and why many Rasta observe divine and natural law abouve any human government. JAHS laws and ordanances are consistient and steadfast through the generations.

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 6/17/2022 2:47:56 AM

For Continental matters Garveys Africa becomes Nkrumahs Africa.


Nkrumahs Africa

Difference between MARXISM and NKRUMAHISM

At the core of the concept of African unity lies socialism and the socialist definition of the new African society.
Socialism and African unity are organically complementary.
Socialism implies:
1. Common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. Production is for use, and not for profit.
2. Planned methods of production by the state, based on modern industry and agriculture.
3. Political power in the hands of the people, with the entire body of workers possessing the necessary governmental machinery through which to express their needs and aspirations. It is a concept in keeping with the humanist and egalitarian spirit which characterised traditional African society, though it must be applied in a modern context. All are workers; and no person exploits another.
4. Application of scientific methods in all spheres of thought and production.
Socialism must provide a new social synthesis in which the advanced technical society is achieved without the appalling evils and deep cleavages of capitalist industrial society.
Socialism has become a necessity in the platform diction of African political leaders, though not all pursue really
socialist policies. We must therefore be on our guard against measures which are declared to be "socialist" but which do not in fact promote economic and social development.
An example of muddled thinking about socialism is the attempt made in recent years to suggest the existence of an
"African Socialism" peculiar to our continent.

There is only one true socialism and that is scientific socialism, the principles of which are abiding and universal.
The only way to achieve it is to devise policies aimed at general socialist goals, which take their form from the concrete, specific circumstances and conditions of a particular country at a definite historical period.
The socialist countries of Africa may differ in the details Of their policies. There are different paths to socialism, and adjustments have to be made to suit particular circumstances. But they should not be arbitrarily decided, or subject to vagaries of taste. They must be scientifically explained.
Only under socialism can we reliably accumulate the capital we need for our development, ensure that the gains of investment are applied to the general welfare, and achieve our goal of a free and united continent.
The present stage of the liberation struggle
An objective appraisal of the degree of success so far attained in our struggle leads to the consideration of three
theses of major importance :
1. The achievement of genuine independence by an African state is but a part of the over-all process of Continental decolonisation.
2. No independent state is immune to imperialist intrigue, pressure and subversion as long as imperialism under any guise is left free to operate on the African Continent.
3. The degree of completeness of our victory over imperialism has a determining influence on how far post-independence reconstruction can go. In other words,
the people will have no equitable share in national reconstruction and its benefits unless the victory over imperialism in its colonialist and neo-colonialist stages
is complete.

It therefore follows that the unity of the African people expressed in a Union Government is necessary :
(a) to accelerate the liberation struggle in territories still under colonial domination.
(b) for the security of already independent states, and particularly for those which have chosen to follow a line of total opposition to imperialism.
(c) to protect the flanks of our drive towards socialist, domestic reconstruction.
These considerations should be able to serve as :
1. A basic formula to link up with all aspects of the anti-imperialist struggle in Africa.
2. A blue-print for the people's action.
3. A yardstick for the evaluation of political development and phases in the history of Africa.

Give thanks

Nkrumahs Africa


Messenger: JAH Child Sent: 6/17/2022 9:39:13 AM

Greetings Idren
More Love

I have been thinking for a while now that there can only be one right form of government, in which every one is treated fairly and everyone lives in a truly free state of being - and that would be a form of spiritually perfected anarchism.
My thought process is that if all people spiritually reach a heights where we can live in compassion with one another, there will be no need for any laws.
Until that time, there are all these different forms of government that have been postulated and attempted around the world multiple different times, and all of them have been proven imperfect and proven to lead a populus into downpression. And they will continue to be imperfect until we ourselves spiritually evolve.
We find ourselves in whatever society we were born into and maybe we can move or maybe not, either way we just have to do our best to navigate within a flawed system because they're all flawed.

Brother Jesse the I said Theocracy and this is similar I think to my idea except maybe the laws I am thinking of are not the ones written in a book (such as sacrificing doves every week) but the ones written in our hearts (cause no harm to another living being) and maybe those are the same laws the I was talking about too, but we do get into confusion when we talk about "god's laws" because it brings to mind all of those old testament ordinances that Israelites were given, whereas "universal laws" might bring to mind more cosmically or karmically connected chains of cause+event that we can all overstand if we look into ourselves through the lens of eternity.

I do realize that I have a tendancy toward idealism but this ideal I will hang onto still, that the only correct form of government is self government on a spiritually elevated scale.

Messenger: jessep86 Sent: 6/17/2022 6:23:35 PM

Spiritual and natural laws, like the laws of mathmatics are beyond the corrupting influence of politics. The foundation has been laid and if a culture is not built on it it will fail.

Messenger: Olivebranch Sent: 6/18/2022 1:35:46 AM

No money? What will u exchange for goods and services … More goods and services? How would you keep track of the value and deeds of said service ?

Messenger: seestem Sent: 6/18/2022 6:01:35 AM

Idren jessep86, the I's perspective is quite inspiring. Those are general Kingciples that all of InI should practice to survive and be sustainable in any system.

Messenger: seestem Sent: 6/18/2022 6:12:16 AM

GARVEYS AFRICA, give thanks for those potent links!

I haven't read all of them yet, but from the first link:

"All this notwithstanding, one could still argue that the basic organisation of many African societies in different periods of history manifested a certain communalism and that the philosophy and humanist purposes behind that organisation are worthy of recapture. A community in which each saw his well-being in the welfare of the group certainly was praiseworthy, even if the manner in which the well-being of the group was pursued makes no contribution to our purposes. Thus, what socialist thought in Africa must recapture is not the structure of the “traditional African society” but its spirit, for the spirit of communalism is crystallised in its humanism and in its reconciliation of individual advancement with group welfare. Even If there is incomplete anthropological evidence to reconstruct the “traditional African society” with accuracy, we can still recapture the rich human values of that society. In short, an anthropological approach to the “ traditional African society” is too much unproven; but a philosophical approach stands on much firmer ground and makes generalisation feasible.


We know, of course, that the defeat of colonialism and even neo-colonialism will not result in the automatic disappearance of the imported patterns of thought and social organisation. For those patterns have taken root, and are in varying degree sociological features of our contemporary society. Nor will a simple return to the communalistic society of ancient Africa offer a solution either. To advocate a return, as it were, to the rock from which we were hewn is a charming thought, but we are faced with contemporary problems, which have arisen from political subjugation, economic exploitation, educational and social backwardness, increases in population, familiarity with the methods and products of industrialisation, modern agricultural techniques. These — as well as a host of other complexities — can be resolved by no mere communalistic society, however sophisticated, and anyone who so advocates must be caught in insoluble dilemmas of the most excruciating kind. All available evidence from socio-political history discloses that such a return to a status quo ante is quite unexampled in the evolution of societies. There is, indeed, no theoretical or historical reason to indicate that it is at all possible."

Wow, InI should read more Nkrumah. That answered the question about if we could emulate the ancient ways. That whole paper is quite profound, InI just had to print it out!

GA thanks for introducing InI to "African Socialism" and the dangers it could bring, also thanks for emphasizing that the scientific method is a strict requirement for real "Socialism"!

And once again thanks for those potent links!

Messenger: seestem Sent: 6/18/2022 6:33:31 AM

JAH Child

InI has described Iself as an anarchist, InI also describe Iself as spiritual but never thought of coupling the two together.

InI can see how it could work. But how all 7.87 billion people in the world can be more spiritual, what changes should we make for the world to reach such iyah ites?

This InI think will require a quantum leap in the minds of the people and possibly only the children can start it, maybe coordinated global education something like that, or some well intended social engineering not easy.

Yes Jah Child that is very idealistic but there is nothing wrong with that, most things start out that way until they manifest in flesh!

Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 6/18/2022 6:35:19 AM

Nkrumah iah.... definitely one to study.

I highly recommend that book too, id put it up there with Philosophies and Opinions of Garvey or Destruction of the Black Civilisation by Chancellor Williams. CANON to InI

Give thanks brethren

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