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Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/31/2019 4:07:02 AM
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There is no anger in my sentiments.

People that know me know my stance on this website for the past 5 years has been CONSISTENT


Literally: Blessed Love to the I

InI black supremacy


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/31/2019 4:08:08 AM
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Let's get back to the gun


Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 1/31/2019 6:23:55 AM
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Ah, yes, the gun. It is very safe to assert that MOST rationale people (and i'm referring to ALL PEOPLE, no subsets), given the opportunity, will arm themselves with a gun or other deadly/instantly incapacitating armament if confronting face-to-face potentially lethal wild animals in the wilderness. People may HOPE to avoid harming these magnificent beasts, but wouldn't hesitate to shoot them if they became hostile or aggressive.

A dear, old geologist friend of mine once put it very succinctly when we were talking about how amazing it was that neanderthals were able to slay woolly mammoths. He said:

"When you're 5 foot 4, weigh 170 pounds and you're confronted by a six-ton woolly mammoth, you don't try to reason with the woolly mammoth, you KILL the woolly mammoth."

Now, granted, we were smoking ganja so it seemed funnier at the time, but the underlying sentiment of finding & using a way (hopefully as foolproof as possible) to eliminate the imminent threat of death is still as valid.

No racial issues involved here, just common sense which nobody has a monopoly on.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/31/2019 6:50:28 AM
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And again people have been living with nature without gun just fine and far longer than using guns to deal with the same terrain

See the backlash certain dreadlocks reggae artist gained when chanting gun lyrics back in the 00s

Rastafari people as i know it don't deal with gun. I know Rastafari to leave in peace with nature. I know Haile Selassie not to carry a gun and to outlaw the possession of guns in his country

It's no coincidence the Americans in this thread have different thoughts on the matter as the world knows they are indoctrinated into gun culture from early. After all that's how the West was won...

Free up the animal dem


Messenger: JAH Child Sent: 1/31/2019 6:53:38 AM
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This is just a question, I don't know the answer. But Nesta I since the I is reasoning about the use of guns to kill hostile animals: are tranquilizers effective in such situations? For example a tranquilizer gun instead of a gun with bullets?


Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 1/31/2019 7:01:09 AM
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Well, yes and "And again people have been living with nature without [electricity] just fine and far longer than using [electricity] to deal with the same terrain."

But even the eyes of my Ugandan brothers and sisters on the Ssese Islands in Lake Victoria lit up with glee when they saw that new Honda generator show up.

We're kind of getting off course here. There's no African or American dichotomy when it comes to whether a guy facing down a charging grizzly bear wants to have a high-powered rifle in his hands or not -- the only dichotomy is who wants to die (a pretty unpleasant death at that) and who wants to live.


Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 1/31/2019 7:05:59 AM
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Excellent question, JAH Child. Unfortunately there are no tranquiler products that i am aware of which would do a person much good in the case of being charged by a grizzly bear. The bears are massive and tranquilizers are drugs which much enter the blood stream and circulate in order to take effect. If I were on the receiving end of a grizzly attack, it's doubtful i would live to see the tranquilizer take effect. Sadly, it's a kill or be killed situation.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/31/2019 7:22:36 AM
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The very fact that Lake is named Lake Victoria pays homage to the hundreds of years of underdevelopment the white world has afflicted on the surrounding area.....leading to the very desperate need of such a generator in the first place.

"When you're 5 foot 4, weigh 170 pounds and you're confronted by a six foot (African), you don't try to reason with the (African), you KILL the (African)." Said every colonist .... if we are playing that game

The very argument of using a weapon when faced vs a woolly mammoth or grizzly bear are very esoteric unique none day to day situations....It's almost disingenuous to use those to reason the need for everyday people to own a gun. It's bringing a specialist situation into a generalised everyday scenario. And MOST of the cultures who live so close to wildlife.... do so easily and usually peacefully without guns

And as JahChild mentions alternatives are there. But some people of this world jump to a gun scenario ala John Wayne so quick.

Rasta is no cowboy. And again InI live in peace with nature. Nature never oppress I



Messenger: JAH Child Sent: 1/31/2019 7:31:08 AM
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Thankhs for answering Nesta. After I posted that question I did a search. It seems that the information I came across affirms what the I said; tranquilizers take about 3 to 5 minutes to take effect in a grizzly bear (Immobilization of grizzly bears). And also tranquilizers have long term negative effects in bears (Tranquilizer darts do serious damage).
Too bad... would be nice to have a less deadly way to deal with situations like that.
I remember when living in Montana everyone suggested keeping bear spray when going up to Glacier National Park. I did so. And I did come across a bear once (a black bear) about 50 feet away from me. I didnt have to use the spray though. It just stared at me and then turned and walked away. But I guess maybe the bear spray is just a joke to make ignorant people feel better? Glad I didnt have to use it.
Garveys Africa, I think the point the I made about taming wild animals is valid, and bears have been trained for hundreds of years. But doesnt that take time? Maybe not appropriate in the case of an angry wild bear charging?
Then again, maybe it is a spiritual power to make the bear not be angry in the first place. Not sure why that black bear turned and left me, I wasn't afraid in the moment though, I just looked at him curiously and he looked back. Maybe fear has something to do with it.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/31/2019 7:35:04 AM
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Sistren....YOU 1 pick up YOUR self and went into Bear territory.... went into the bear home land. So if the bear choose to sight you and leave you or sight you and charge after you. Doesn't that come down to....you????

Again, there just seems something all mighty colonial ... like an elephant in the room.... about people going into another living creature's (whom they fear) territory and thinking "well sure I need a gun incase I face any hostiles" ...


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