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"BUT AFRICANS SOLD EACH OTHER TOO!"

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Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 1/24/2016 9:46:06 AM
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In light of recent discussions regarding racism and the EVIL demonstrated by the COLLECTIVE white people, and the ageless and tiresome reactionary response used to justify this STAIN and OFFENCE against humanity....that... hey..."Africans sold each other too", we find it NECESSARY to put this issue under the microscope.

Without a proper and courageous discussion of OURstory, equal rights and justice "will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained"

We have often accused of having a "romantic" view of Afrika. We beg to differ. We are not Romans, nor have a ROME-antic world view. Therefore we prefer to "look from behind the spectacles of Ethiopia" and instead offer an AFRO-mantic OUR-storical perspective.

The system of servitude, as known and practiced in Afrika cannot possibly or remotely be compared to the system of chattel slavery as practiced by Europe.

1- Generally speaking, the Afrikan system of servitude had a maximum time limit of 7 years. Unlike the European system that not only bound one to slavery for their ENTIRE LIVES, but worse still, all their future children and grandchildren as well, simply based on skin color (regardless of degrees or shades of melanin)

2- One could marry out of the system of servitude, as often was the case, historically and biblically speaking.

3- One could rize from the ranks of "slave" to PHARAOH. For those who need biblical reference to validate this, the story of Joseph is a good example.

From HUMAN BONDAGE: Page 47-50, "Overturning the Culture of Violence"

"The statement that “Africans enslaved their own people” separates out African people from other colonial subjects, all of whom have had their share of betrayal among their ranks. It is a statement of imperialism’s historic need to mobilize public opinion against African people.

Like the general white attitude toward the government-imposed drugs and dependent drug economy in today’s African communities, this statement lets the parasitic colonial economic system off the hook. It is an anti-black expression of unity with the oppression of African people, saying, “They did it to themselves.” Meanwhile all white people everywhere still benefit from the parasitic economic system which has as its foundation the enslavement and continued exploitation of African people."

The Myth of Black African Slave Traders 
by Ayanna

"Africans in the Diaspora have the challenge of rewriting a history that has been stained by years of distortions, omission and downright lies. One of the biggest challenges of rewriting this history has been the Atlantic Slave Trade, and one of the biggest sore points has been the idea that "Black Africans sold their own into slavery". A lack of information, a paucity of expansive scholarship and an unwillingness to have a serious discourse on Colourism as it existed in Africa even before European intervention, has contributed to this. Diaspora Africans are often quite naïve and will do anything to hold fast to the illusion that " we are all Africans" and ignore the racism that has existed among a group that is far from uniform.

Servitude systems that existed in Africa, and in other indigenous communities cannot be compared to racist slave systems in the Western world and to this day we attempt to try to see this slavery in the same context. People bring up accounts of Biblical slavery, of serfdom in Europe and yes, of servitude in Africa and attempt to paint all these systems with the same brush. However NO OTHER SLAVE SYSTEM has created the never-ending damaging cycle as the Atlantic Slave Trade. West Indian poet Derek Walcott has stated his feeling that our penchant for forgetting is a defense mechanism against pain, that if we were to take a good hard look at our history, at centuries of victimization, it would be too much for us to handle and we would explode. Well I say we are exploding anyway and in many cases from bombs that are not even our own. We have begun the long hard road of rewriting our ancient history, of recovering our old and noble legacy. Let us not stop and get cold feet now when the enemy now appears to take on a slightly darker hue. We must look at the slave trade in its OWN context, complete with all the historic and psychological peculiarities that have made it the single most damaging and enduring system of exploitation and hatred ever perpetrated in the recent memory of mankind. Until we do, we will not escape its legacy."

http://raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1076859043,27424,.shtml


Messenger: Voodooruuts Sent: 1/24/2016 9:13:17 PM
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I think we of the MAAFA generalize "AFRICA" to much. Africa is a large land mass with diverse peoples and cultures, and should be adressed so. What one group did or do may be totally foriegn to the next. A Yoruba patriarchy may never understand Akan matriarchy.

From I overstanding of Africans selling their own people, its awestern's eye viewing of it. Some African tribes may not look on the next as "their people" as some Yoruba descend from Odudwa and Fulani dont so Fulani are not their people.

I think this all collective thinking towards people is purely western colonial mindset.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/25/2016 4:06:55 PM
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The White man uninvitedly came into Africa and kidnapped and murderred our people by the 100 millions. I don't entertain anything else after that in re:to the title of this thread


Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 1/25/2016 4:37:16 PM
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"I think this all collective thinking towards people is purely western colonial mindset"

I respectfully disagree. The principle of COLLECTIVE THINKING is intrinsically Afrikan.

Though we celebrate the INDIVIDUAL, we do not divorce him from the COLLECTIVE.


Messenger: Voodooruuts Sent: 1/25/2016 9:33:53 PM
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So youre saying that African tribes thought of themselves as collectives? That every African tribe was one?




Messenger: RastaGoddess Sent: 1/25/2016 11:54:47 PM
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No Iyah, I'm not saying every tribe was one, but it certainly wasn't uncommon for one nation to marry into another nation in order to unify into a greater force. Or for warring neighbors to unify against a greater force.

We were also very hospitable to passing strangers, considering it extremely rude not to do so. Though we cannot deny tribal conflicts as highlighted by Western academia, we also cannot deny that there was alot more kinship then we have been led to believe.

This reminds me of a story I once heard where a european enters an Afrikan Village to take a census, or count of the villagers. When he asked the village chief how many live there, the Chiefs looked puzzled and reply that this is impossible to answer, as they do not separate the living from the ancestors and it would literally be impossible to go all the way back...LOL!

My point was more so that, traditionally, InI think collectively. The individual is intrensically tied to his family, village, nation and ancestors and future generations.



Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/25/2016 11:56:07 PM
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Collections of individuals different to individual collections


Messenger: Voodooruuts Sent: 1/26/2016 7:15:21 AM
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When mentioned collective I was talking about different ethnic groups. Seeing people as one because their skin color when you have very different peoples bearing the same skin tones.
When they say Africans sold eachother or the black man was everywhere one the planet, thats not how the people viewed themselves. The Dinka of Sudan are very different from the Jawara of the Adawamese Islands yet they are both very dark.


Messenger: royal dawta Sent: 1/27/2016 9:09:14 AM
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We Did Not Sell Each Other Into Slavery, Dispel this single most effective White propaganda assertion that continues to make it very difficult for us to reconstruct the African social systems of mutual trust broken down by YOU ASS Slavery this statement is unqualified, that, "We sold each other into slavery." Most of us have accepted this statement as true at its face value. It implies that parents sold their children into slavery to Whites, husbands sold their wives, even brothers and sisters selling each other to the Whites. It continues to perpetuate a particularly sinister effluvium of Black character. But deep down imy Black gut, somewhere beneath all the barbecue ribs, gin and whitewashed religions, iknow that we are not like this.




Messenger: royal dawta Sent: 1/27/2016 9:15:52 AM
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This singular short tart claim, that "We sold each other", has maintained in a state of continual flux our historical basis for Black-on-Black self love and mutual cooperation at the level of Class.
The period from the beginning of the TransAtlantic African Slave so-called Trade (1500) to the demarcation of Africa into colonies in the late 1800s is one of the most documented periods in World History. Yet, with the exception of the renegade African slave raider Tippu Tip of the Congo Arabs(Muslim name, Hamed bin Muhammad bin Juna al-Marjebi) who was collaborating with the White Arabs (also called Red Arabs) there is little documentation of independent African slave raiding. By independent is meant that there were no credible threats, intoxicants or use of force by Whites to force or deceive the African into slave raiding or slave trading and that the raider himself was not enslaved to Whites at the time of slave raiding or "trading". Trade implies human-to-human mutuality without force. This was certainly not the general scenario for the TransAtlantic so-called Trade in African slaves. Indeed, it was the Portuguese who initiated the European phase of slave raiding in Africa by attacking a sleeping village in 1444 and carting away the survivors to work for free in Europe.
Even the case of Tippu Tip may well fall into a category that we might call the consequences of forced cultural assimilation via White (or Red) Arab Conquest over Africa. Tippu Tip s father was a White (or Red) Arab slave raider, his mother an unmixed African slave. Tip was born out of violence, the rape of an African woman. It is said that Tip, a "mulatto", was merciless to Africans.
The first act against Africa by Whites was an unilateral act of war, announced or unannounced. There were no African Kings or Queens in any of the European countries nor in the U.S. when ships set sail for Africa to capture Africans for profit. Whites had already decided to raid for slaves. They didn't need our agreement on that. Hence, there was no mutuality in the original act. The African so-called slave "trade" was a demand-driven market out of Europe and America, not a supply-driven market out of Africa. We did not seek to sell captives to the Whites as an original act. Hollywood s favorite is showing Blacks capturing Blacks into slavery, as if this was the only way capture occurred. There are a number of ways in which capture occurred.


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