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Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2014 5:55:05 PM
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So to deal with Jesus - is that not putting a medium between you and Haile Selassie?

JC no higher than I. JC no more 'Gods son' than I. Him no realer than the I. What him look like?

If selassie teach to study the bible you dont think we have studied it? Dont prejudge I-ya. He also taught one to use your discern. My discern lead i to this reasoning. It is not God Word. And who are they to have inspired word of God more than I?

When one deals with the history and spirituality of the Ancestors you may see how ridiculous this argument becomes. Il rather stand with the Obeahman Rasta who Ites up indigenous practice and not a book collection from Rome.



Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2014 5:56:20 PM
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Nobody between I and Haile Selassie.... Its that kind of backward disrespectful post which create nuff of the argument in here.

Again, il refer you to the first two post i make in the thread before you rally round.

'No book no enslave anyone?' I have made reference of the Anti-Africanness of the bible I man nah repeat I self again for people who dont bother read before them respond


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2014 6:20:04 PM
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Anyone explain why there is no evidence of Moses in Egypt? or of the mass exodus? And how Moses can write Exodus as we are told, and include his death in his writing?

Anyone explain the similarities between Abraham and Brahma and tell me if not a copy them copy? And then explain the verse 'Abraham is an allegory'

Can anyone explain why Egypt is portrayed as wicked at the alleged time of Moses which according to the dates would be circa the time of Ahmose - one of the greatest Pharoahs who liberated the Africans from the rule of the Hyksos..... why would we fight against this?

Can anyone explain the curse of Ham?

Why do the ancestors teach shared divinity between male and female - the essence of Ma'at - yet the Bible teaches Man is the head of the Woman?

Can anyone explain why the teachings of Paul are almost completely anti-Hebrew culture?

Can anyone explain WHY these selected books are the TRUE books of the life of JC and not the books which were left out?
If the Kebra Negast was needed to clear up what was missed out of the Old Testament how do we know further research / books are not needed?

Can anyone explain why NOT one of the ideals within I Rasta livity are exclusive to the Bible yet still we claim it is a necessary part of this ya trod, given the confusion and in exclusivity

This thread could have been an intelligent scholastic debate.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2014 6:46:58 PM
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+ finally what were the Ethiopians doing pre-Christianity in their magnificent Axumite empire?

Most black people use the bible originally as a source of identity as we had no history books. This is 2014 and I man say black people who want to know their identity and history - the bible is one of the least accurate sources for this. Please engage in study!


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/11/2014 7:45:46 PM
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Garveys Africa, the I said,

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So to deal with Jesus - is that not putting a medium between you and Haile Selassie?
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No, not for I or for most RasTafarI people I know. Yeshua is not between I and Haile Selassie I. God is One.

When a person looks at most of what the I has said on the forum, it negates the claim that the I has an intention to purify the Bible. The intention the I has displayed is to discard the Bible. I hope I don't have to go searching through your posts to show why I say this.

I have always encouraged others to search the history of their ancestors, including the history before the Bible came into their lives. And to Learn the Heights from that history. Doing that doesn't mean a person needs to discard the Bible.

People are missing the whole point of life, which is to Learn and Rise Higher. That is why generation after generation, people go through the same foolishness. How much more fruitful would these Reasonings be if I and I Teach each other Righteousness and the Heights of RasTafarI, instead of trying to convince people to discard the Bible.






Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2014 10:20:06 PM
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Who have eyes will see and who has ears will hear.

I am not trying to convince anybody and never have the point of the thread was to have a discussion or debate in regard to the above questions / claims of in accuracy or mistakes within the text itself as pertaining to Africa

- but unfortunately the topic went elsewhere

Like the Jesus comment you quoted - this wasnt a question direct at yourself but a response to the brother who claimed I am putting another man between myself and his majesty ( a foolishness)

Again, I've never heard Rasta claim the bible is 100% truth. Some go with 99% some with 0..... The point is, let's discuss the inaccuracies let's discuss which part 'they' changed let's discuss what may be written with ulterior motives...... Let's discuss what we were doing before the bible was given to us. That's what I was trying to achieve here

And for those who so believe it is 100% accurate word of god, fine, you don't have to reply!

Give thanks


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2014 10:27:07 PM
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But again the questions above and point of the thread gets side stepped by emotional reactionary comments from ones who have no interest in responding or addressing that which is mentioned within the body of the reasoning.

Instead we were lead to talk about how rasta has a long history with the bible and how there is much truth / enlightment in the bible (which was the very first sentences I said) and other side issues.. My point is historical accuracy and texts which seem negative toward the African race and the African land...

It seems as if it's hard to have a serious historical debate of accuracy and inaccuracies with bible believers


Messenger: Eleazar Sent: 1/11/2014 11:04:47 PM
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Garvey's Africa,

How does the I interpret this speech of Selassie I:

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I am very pleased to send you words of my best wishes for your happiness, progress and peace, on this blessed day for mankind,

from the capital of Great Britain, which is renowned for its hospitality. Let peace reign in your hearts, among your families, in the unity of your governments, and in your relations with other peoples of the world. There is no greater day of gratitude and joy for Christians than celebrating the birthday of Our Saviour Jesus Christ. On this day of happiness, every Christian, by meditating on [Jesus'] life and the work He accomplished for all of us, tends to forget the trials he faces and the sadness that breaks his heart. At the same time everyone is inclined to minimize the trials and sorrows of his own, his kindred, and friends and forgives those who have grieved him. Since Our childhood, Our innermost thoughts have been overwhelmed by the mysterious deep spirit of the divine infant's birth, which is not only expressive but also glorious and inscrutable. Likewise, no matter what one's reputation, whether one's accomplishment is great or humble, tiresome or fruitless, in the journey of life, the mystery of Bethlehem dominates our spirit.

With the birth of the Son of God, an unprecedented, an unrepeatable, and a long-anticipated phenomenon occurred. He was born in a stable instead of a palace, in a manger instead of a crib. The hearts of the Wise men were struck by fear and wonder due to His Majestic Humbleness. The kings prostrated themselves before Him and worshipped Him. 'Peace be to those who have good will. This became the first message.

When He sacrificed himself at Golgotha for the atonement of our sin, He prayed with His last breath for the forgiveness of those who had tortured Him saying, 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do'. Shame on those of us who are Christians and do not follow the way of the Savior of the World, whose life was filled with kindness, humility, and martyrdom! If we lived by the laws he gave us and were worthy of being called Christian, peace would have reigned on this earth.
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Christmas Broadcast to America

This speech refers to "Jesus Christ" in a manner that would suggest a real historical person, not some kind of mythological or metaphorical entity/allegory.

So when you claim Rasta should "bun Jesus Christ" and that the idea of Jesus Christ is just a Roman myth, the context of Selassie I's speech indicates to I that Jesus Christ was an actual person and that Selassie I holds great Respect for Jesus Christ.

Haile Selassie I referred to Jesus Christ as being "born" in a manger and "sacrificing" himself at Golgotha. The context of these words would imply a person that Selassie I is talking about, not some kind of metaphysical identity or idea.


Messenger: GARVEYS AFRICA Sent: 1/11/2014 11:14:04 PM
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Ahh now in that speech haile selassie declares Jesus Christ (not yoshua) as his saviour. Which rasta would claim Jesus Christ as their saviour? I thought his majesty was our saviour? Is that responsability joint with JC?

+ I thought we Burn Jesus and is Yoshua we a work with? When has haile selassie used this name?

But reguardless, this once again is not dealing win the topic at hand. If selassie says Jesus then that must mean Jesus was a real living man? We call this evidence? Haile selassie recalling events that he read within his Bible as evidence to the legitimacy of the bible? In other words because he read it it is real?

Surely when defining something, you should not use the entity which is being defined within the definition....

Haile selassie was a Christian, rasta is not of the same faith of haile selassie. We keep going round and round. This thread is dealing with the aforementioned 'inaccuracies' if there are any and the anti-African theme ever present. Reasonings about haile selassie and his personal faith are of no further interest toe right now because we at loggerheads.....


Messenger: Eleazar Sent: 1/11/2014 11:21:38 PM
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Selassie I is the Savior. Selassie I holds to the same Teachings as Jesus Christ, they are both One with Jah.

Why is Rasta not the same faith as Haile Selassie? Rasta is Faith in Haile Selassie I.

I don't see the Bible as an infallible and completely historically accurate book. But I don't think it should be completely discarded either.


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