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Something that troubles my faith..

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Messenger: ras93 Sent: 9/18/2013 11:01:41 AM
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I want one of my brothers or sisters to answer the following as a form of reasoning, I don't have an intention to challenge the faith at all. Concerning the dinosaurs - given that in the bible most animals aren't specifically mentioned, i won't even get into that segment. But what puzzles me is the question: If humans lived in the same period as dinosaurs, then how and why did the comet kill all the dinosaurs but not us humans. If it was to alleviate us from the most likely issue, being pray to the dinosaurs, then this contradicts the belief that God is omniscient. Why would he make the dinosaurs if he KNEW they would be a threat to us? And why would he kill his own creations?


Messenger: Raybob Sent: 9/19/2013 11:11:55 PM
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They were NEVER a threat to man. Man has dominion over beasts. That was a lie from the evil one. Evil man killed off the dinosaurs. In the old days, they called them dragons, fire breathing dragons. Noah had two of each on the ark, but babies of course, so they fit. They were the first of the beasts to go. Before the flood, no one ate meat. After the flood, men ate meat. How long can you feed a family or city with just one Behomoth? How about with one Leviathan? Search OT for those names.. fire breathing dragon is Leviathan, TRex is Behemoth.

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
(Job 40:15-17)

"Tail moves like a cedar tree". That's a massive sway when cedars move in the wind ya know.. what a metaphor!




Messenger: ras93 Sent: 9/20/2013 10:11:45 AM
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So are you saying that the theory about the meteor killing the dinosaurs is false?


Messenger: Raybob Sent: 9/21/2013 6:54:36 PM
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InI overstand you to listen to colleges or churches. InI forgot there was that theory. Bible says they were here with man. InI ask you.. How do you overstand Leviathan?

In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
(Isa 27:1)

Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? ... By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
(Job 41:1-21)




Messenger: Ark I Sent: 9/22/2013 12:54:38 AM
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In Genesis, it says it took 7 days to create the universe, but that is not our day, it is the day according to the Creator.  Our day is the time it takes for one little rock in the universe to rotate once.  

Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

A watch in the night is normally a 2 to 4 hour time period.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The ratio of time is not to  be taken literally, that is why both verses each have two different ratios, and the second verse has opposite ratios.  It is basically saying that I and I can't judge God's day according to the time it takes for the Earth to rotate once.

As I Reasoned in Evolution true or false?, the order of Creation in Genesis is very similar to what the scientists say.  I don't know how long God's day is, but maybe it is the time it takes for the Universe to rotate once.

On the third day, plants were created, on the fifth, birds and sea creatures were created.  On the sixth day, animals were created, and then humans were created.  Each of those days could possibly span millions or billions of our years.

It is possible that all archeologists are lying when they speak of finding bones and fossils of small mammals, but no human bones or fossils during the time of the dinosaurs, but it is more likely that humans didn't exist during those times.

The leviathan and behemoth could have existed after dinosaurs perished. 

Scientists and other researchers are not always right, especially about the past.  Things like big bang theory are just theories, they are not known, and there are other theories that scientists have to explain the beginning of the Universe.  And the theory of a comet killing the dinosaurs is just one of several theories on how they died.

Whether Selassie I created man and other creatures spontaneously or through evolution is not really relevant, it makes no difference to I and I Trod.  Learn to Live by the example of the Most High God RasTafarI Haile Selassie I, that is a better use of energy.

In regards to this
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If humans lived in the same period as dinosaurs, then how and why did the comet kill all the dinosaurs but not us humans. If it was to alleviate us from the most likely issue, being pray to the dinosaurs, then this contradicts the belief that God is omniscient. Why would he make the dinosaurs if he KNEW they would be a threat to us? And why would he kill his own creations?
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Not everything is about you (or humans in general).  Some animals and humans eat flesh, and some don't.  And some animals will kill a human for food if given the opportunity, and many viruses, bacteria and fungus feed on and/or kill humans.    The world was created in balance and when balance is maintained, the death that occurs will be for the benefit of Life.  Some cells must die for the good of a human's structure, and new cells take there place. People may die, but they don't really die because they continue to  live by having children, that is why we exist today.


Here are some related Reasonings.

Root of Evil

Free Will vs. Destiny


Messenger: Iman Bo Sent: 9/23/2013 1:31:24 AM
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I and I agree with the strong reasoning of Ark I

The dinosaurs should not trouble any ones faith, they were/are a part of Jah Creation.


Messenger: ras93 Sent: 9/26/2013 3:24:29 PM
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thank you bredrens for the reasoning but there are a few more things that bother, i just cant put my complete faith in jah( although i want to) until my mind is at peace,seen? For example the diseases, how is that just? You can justify it by deeming it necessasary for a balanced society, but say that when your brother or mother succumb to it,seen? Also, why would jah forbid us from eating from the tree of knowledge? Or was this a trick from the church to suppress self education? More Fyah, much love. RASTAFARI


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 9/27/2013 12:31:09 AM
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It depends on the disease, some diseases are caused by man and other diseases are just living things trying to survive.

Who are you that you think you can kill or harm another living thing, but another living thing can't do the same to you.  Like I told you, not everything is about you, or people in general.

Everyone has a choice to listen to God so God can guide and protect them, but people are too foolish to do that.

Here are some Reasonings,
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I have made this reasoning before, I wanted to bring it forward because it relates to the recent reasoning called RasTafarI Guidance

The problems of people are caused by people. They always want to blame God, the devil, or anything other then themself.

People are murdered because other people murder them. People are dying from cancer because people poison the earth, water and air. People have no salvation in Jah because they have rejected Jah.

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Luke 13
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Repent isn't about asking forgiveness, it means to turn away from wickedness. So Christ was showing I and I that even if we are not the worse sinners, as long as we are sinners and separate from Jah, these things can happen to us. And the reason for this is that if we reject Jah, then Jah will let us be our own defence, because we have rejected Jah defence.

Haile Selassie I explains this further,

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However wise or however mighty a person may be, he is like a ship without a rudder if he is without God. A rudderless ship is at the mercy of the waves and the wind, drifts wherever they take it and if there arises a whirlwind it is smashed against the rocks and becomes as if it has never existed. It is our firm belief that a soul without Christ is bound to meet with no better fate.
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So if I and I repent and live for Jah and accept Jah guidance and direction, then Jah will be our Rudder. So just like a Rudder guides a ship through the sea, when I and I accept Jah, Jah will guide I and I through this world. So when the waves come, which is the bad things that happen in the world, I and I will not be moved. Jah will keep I and I steady and will take I and I out of the waves.
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Everything is the will of Jah, except for one thing, our mind(meaning what we think). Jah has given us the power to choose, because this was the power man and woman wanted from the time of our days in the Garden of Eden.

So we have the choice to be with Jah, or work against Jah. RasTafarI is always there to guide us in the path of harmony if we choose to listen. But Jah has given us the choice to make our own path, whatever path it is.

So I see life as a combination of the consequences of the choices we make and the will of Jah.

Jah has the power and strength to intervene and cause things to happen. Jah can help those that want and ask for Jah help and Jah can stop those that need to be stopped.

But in general, Jah gives us our choice and the world reacts to these actions.

And I think that Jah granted us our desire of choice for a good reason. For now RasTafarI will see who will remain with Jah when given the choice and who will go away. And also, who will return to Jah again.

It is much better to have a son that stays with you, not because he has no other choice, but because this is what he wants. Then Jah will know who is truly One with Jah.

The world is full of actions and reactions. If you see fire and touch it, you will get burned. It is not that we are punished by Jah for touching the fire. It is that fire has a certain structure, and we have a certain structure. And when fire comes in contact with us, our flesh is damaged.

This is how I see the world as a whole. It has a certain structure, and we have to know how to harmonize with it, or we will recieve the reactions to our actions. For example, the reactions we receive as a result of our destruction of our environment.

I see Jah as the One who can show us how to get through and harmonize. To be our rudder so that the waves don't overtake us. Jah made creation to work and harmonize as One, just as he made our own bodies to work and harmonize as One. And in the same way that we can destroy our body if we don't use our parts for the benefit of our body, we can destroy some of creation and ourselves by not living as One with creation.
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Messenger: Ark I Sent: 9/27/2013 12:44:23 AM
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It was not a tree of knowledge, it was specifically the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Here are some Reasonings about the tree.
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I first wanted to make the distinction that the first tree Enoch inquired about was the Tree of Life.  And then later on after seeing other kinds of Trees, he asked about the Tree of Wisdom or Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil.  And if the I them notice, it is not really implied that it is positive or negative,  the Angel Raphael only said "This is the Tree of Wisdom, from which your ancient father and ancient mother, who were before you, ate and learnt wisdom; and their eyes were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they were driven from the garden."

The Tree gave the Knowledge of Good and evil; knowing this is not really a positive or negative in itself.  What makes it positive or negative is what is done with this Knowledge.

The reason Jah told them that when they eat of the tree they shall surely die is because Jah knew that their existence up to that time was short and they didn't have enough of a foundation to deal with this wisdom.  But since  RasTafarI created them in RasTafarI Image, Jah gave them the choice to do what they want to do.  Jah gave them this choice whether their decision was a good idea or not.

And when they chose to eat of the tree, they did surely die.  Because they gained knowledge, but were not able to Iverstand the knowledge they gained.  So they saw that their bodies were separate and thought that they were not One. They couldn't Iverstand Oneness and Iverstand that even though there are different bodies, they are still One.  This misinterpretation of the knowledge they saw eventually lead to their death, and continues to lead to our death from that time until this time.

They couldn't Iverstand what they saw through their gained knowledge, so they began to live as separate beings instead of One, and taught the same to their children.

As I reasoned before:
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The reason why Jah told them that they would surely die if they ate of the fruit is because Jah knew that when the generations of Adam and Eve no longer saw eachother as One, they would kill eachother.

This mind concept of separation led to Cain killing Abel:

Genesis 4
8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

The question Cain asked "Am I my brother's keeper?" represents the kind of separation that came into the minds of men. If Cain realized that they were One, he would have known that when he keeps his brother, he is keeping his self. But he didn't see his brother's life as his own, so he killed him.

In a world like this, things must come to an end. Because as time passes, people become more separate from eachother, and care less and less for the people in the world, even their family and friends.

Genesis to Revelation
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RasTafarI wanted to guide them so that they can become the fullness of the Image that they were Created in.  So when they were ready and could Iverstand, Jah would have given them of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and evil, and then Jah would have also given them of the Fruit of Life.  Since RasTafarI created them in Jah Image, They were given the ability and freedom to make their own decisions. Jah wasn't creating a puppet on a string, so He didn't create them to just move according to what string Jah pulled.  Jah doesn't move according to somebody else's orders, so He created Man and Woman to be the same.

So because of their impatience, they decided to go against RasTafarI's guidance, and instead move according to their own foolishness and they ate of the fruit before it was time.  So Jah cast them out of the garden and put them in a place where they can cause whatever imbalance they want, but also gave the Earth the power to bring things to balance again, so that they have a place that they can't completely destroy.  This way they will have as many millenniums they need to get to the point where the can Iverstand the Knowledge of Good and evil which they took before the Right time. And when that time comes when they Iverstand, Jah will remove those who would not Iverstand, and give those with Iverstanding to eat of the Tree of Life, to Live Iternally as One.


Arrogance and foolishness will always result in downfall.  People have to stop imagining that Jah is like them, they do this as an excuse to continue in their foolishness instead of Living in Jah RasTafarI way.  Instead they should learn how Jah RasTafarI is and change themselves to be like Jah.
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I think Revelation is the natural destination of a divided society, a society that doesn't see everything as One life.
 
In the beginning when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they saw their nakedness and covered theirself with leaves.  Jah, after seeing what they have chosen.  Gave them their desire and gave them coats of skin to cover themselves.
 
I interpret this as Adam and Eve bringing this concept of separation and division into their minds.  Before this they only saw One, so they were One flesh, One life.
 
Genesis 2
24   Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25   And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
 
So I see the placing of the leaves as a representation of them putting up a "wall" between them, because they saw theirself as separate. So when Jah saw that this was what they desired, he granted them their wish and put the full clothing over them, which created a larger "wall", and an even furthur separation.

The reason why Jah told them that they would surely die if they ate of the fruit is because Jah knew that when the generations of Adam and Eve no longer saw eachother as One, they would kill eachother.

This mind concept of separation led to Cain killing Abel:
 
Genesis 4
8   And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9   And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

The question Cain asked "Am I my brother's keeper?" represents the kind of separation that came into the minds of men.  If Cain realized that they were One, he would have known that when he keeps his brother, he is keeping his self. But he didn't see his brother's life as his own, so he killed him.
 
In a world like this, things must come to an end.  Because as time passes, people become more separate from eachother, and care less and less for the people in the world, even their family and friends.
 
So as we can see in the world, this leads to greed, where people try their hardest to take from others, and exploit others, so that they can gain their selfish desires. And the more time has passed, the worse man and woman has become. And the only way for someone to have more than their share, is to take from others.  So the rich can't exist without the poor, because otherwise, who will do the work to make them so rich.  They can't do all that work by themselves.
 
In a world like this, conflict will surely arise, and the power struggle will become more fierce.  And it is not only the rich with this wicked mentality, but it is also much of the poor.  The only difference is their positions.  Many of the poor would do the same as the rich, if they figured out a way to be on top.  Many accept that this is the way of the world, and they think that is what we must strive to be.
 
So if one goes up, another goes down, another goes up, so another goes down.  As one learns a more wicked technique to rise, the other learns his technique and then makes it stronger so that he can rise higher. So they become more and more wicked, to out-wicked the other. Look at the armies of the world, and what evil they have created.
 
So Revelation shows the only destination of this kind of society.  A house divided against itself will fall.
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Messenger: ras93 Sent: 9/27/2013 1:21:07 PM
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Thank you Ark I as well as others fot your reasonings and wisdom. I am beginning to overstand some things. May jah bless you all. RASTAFARI


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