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paul SAUL APOSTLE OF HIM SELF???

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Messenger: ROOK FARI SELAH Sent: 3/18/2008 5:20:32 PM
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BLESSED LOVE MY LAWD AND EMPRESS FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IVE BEEN STUDYING HARD LATELY...AND MY OPINIONS AND THEROYS HYPOYHESIS
ARE MY OWN ON THIS MATTER AND IN NO WAY AM I SPEAKING FOR THE CONGRESS...
THO I LOVE TO REASON ON THIS MATTER WITH ANY ONE IN ANY HOUSE
ALSO MY LEARNIN HAS IN NO WAY AFFECTED MY STANCE I THE BLACK CHRIST TRUE CHURCH SALVATION BUT ACTUALLY STRENGTHIN MY VIEWS..

PAUL IVE BEEN STUDYING ABOUT ,
DUE TO THE CONTRADICTIOINS BETWEEN HIM AND CHRIST JESUS .
WHAT IVE BEEN FINDING IS THAT PAUL ACTED LIKE A JEW AROUND JEWS AND A HEATHEN AROUND HEATHENS ...HE EVEN SAID OUT HIS MOUTH THAT "
TO JEWS HE IS A JEW" ...
HE SINGLE HANDED LY DID AWAY WITH WHAT INI LAW...NAZARENE VOW AND REPLACED IT WITH GRACE

WE KNOW CHRIST WAS A NAZARITE
NO RAZOR COME ON HIS HEAD OR BEARD

PAUL NOW SAID ITS A DISGRACE OR SHAME FOR A MAN TO HAVE LONG HAIR
OR A COVERED HEAD.
THAT DONT SOUND TO RIGHT TO ME BOBO...LOL
THE LAW SAYS DONT EAT ANY THING SACRIFICED TO IDOLS
PAUL SAYS EVERY THING IS CLEAN IN CHRIST JESUS IT WAS PLEASIN TO OUR MOUTH AND SPIRIT ...
NOTICE ALSO THAT PAUL WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL 12 OR 70 APPOINTED TO SPREAD THE WORD HE IS FROM TURKEY AND A ROMAN CITIZEN...AND A PERSECUTER OF FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST
THE EBIONITES AND NAZARENES[ORIGINAL FOLLOWERS] OPPOSED HIM HE ADMITS THE WHOLE OF ASIA TURNED THEIR BACKS ON HIM REFUSING TO BELEIVE HE WAS A APOSTLE
HE WAS ALONE WHEN GOD SUPPOSED TO COME TO HIM AND ORDAIN HIM WITH AUTHORITY OF THE GENTILES

AND MIND U HE SAID THE LAW IS A CURSE
AND WE WERE FREE THROUGH GRACE
WHAT HE FAILED TO MENTION GRACE IS A TIME TO GET YOUR SELF TOGETHER!!!
WHEN YOUR ELECTRIC COMPANY GIVES U A GRACE PERIOD IT DONT MEAN YOUR FREE FROM OBLIGATION
IT GIVES U ALL MORE TIME TO GET YOUR SELF TOGETHER OR ITS SHUT OFF TIME..
I ALSO NOTICED THAT HE ONLY WENT TO PAGAN PLACES TO PREACH
REAL JEWS WOULDNT EVEN HEAR HIS BLASPHEME...
EVERY WHERE HE WENT PEOPLE WANTED TO HOLD HIM BEAT HIM AND KILL HIM...
IM RAMBLIN LET ME GIVE U SOME SCRIPTURE





Messenger: ROOK FARI SELAH Sent: 3/18/2008 6:05:20 PM
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Indeed I PAUL say to you that IF ANYONE BECOME CIRCUMCISED Christ will profit you nothing " (Gal. 5:2).

YET, despite his assertion that 'Christ will profit you nothing', 'Paul' himself, HYPOCRITICALLY " took TIMOTHY and CIRCUMCISED HIM "
(Acts 16:3).

'PAUL' CURSED JESUS CHRIST AND HIS APOSTLES AND DISCIPLES
" If we or an angel from heaven preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL to you than what we (Paul and his followers) have preached to you LET HIM BE A CURSE"
(Gal 1:18)
There was a distinction even back then with the disciples of Jesus and Paul and "his" followers. Barnabbas and Mark both followed Paul at one time and then left him and went back to the disciples. Barnabbas was sent by the Apostle Peter to travel with Paul and teach Paul the ways and teachings of Jesus, but Paul wasn't going to play second fiddle to anyone and usurped the authority of Barnabbas and taught what he wanted to teach. How many ever knew that Paul was suppose to be subservient to Barnabbas?

Now Paul declares it's ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols

" For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than THESE NECESSARY THINGS:
That you ABSTAIN FROM MEATS offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled and from fornication..."
(Acts 15:28:29)
" But I (Jesus) have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a STUMBLING BLOCK before the children of Israel, TO EAT THINGS SACRIFICED TO IDOLS "
(Revelation 2:14)

THE DIVINE TEST OF A TRUE APOSTLE OF YESHUA (JESUS) THE MESSIAH

Peter established a test for apostles:
"PETER said...therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us ALL THE TIME that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us--BEGINNING WITH THE BAPTISM OF JOHN until THE DAY HE WAS TAKEN UP FROM US --one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."

(Acts 1:21,22) In other words, in order to be an apostle you would have had to have been a disciple first!

(NOTE: Because 'Paul', Barnabas, Timothy, Silvanus and others failed to meet the TEST, set by Peter they were "REJECTED BY ALL IN ASIA"; as acknowledged by 'Paul' and Timothy).

" This you know that ALL THOSE IN ASIA HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM ME "
(2 Tim. 1:15)....
JUST A FEW HIGH LIGHTS
I HAVE TO GO ILL BE BACK




Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 3/18/2008 6:44:35 PM
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Its like i heard one time someone say, Jesus created "christianity", Paul packaged and sold it


Messenger: ROOK FARI SELAH Sent: 3/18/2008 7:39:38 PM
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JESUS prophesied "...IF ANOTHER COMES, IN HIS OWN NAME, YOU (Scribes and Pharisees) WILL RECEIVE HIM"
(John 5:43b)

" SAUL who is ALSO called 'PAUL'
( Acts 13:9 )
JESUS prophesied " While men slept HIS ENEMY came and sowed TARES
(Matt.13:25).
" UNGODLY MEN...WHO HAVE SECRETLY CREPT IN TO OUR ASSEMBLIES "
(Jude 4)
" JESUS said to them AN ENEMY has done this "
(Matthew 13
He shall speak POMPOUS WORDS AGAINST THE MOST HIGH...AND SHALL INTEND TO MAKE ALTERATIONS IN TIMES AND IN LAW"
(Daniel 7:25)

Jesus said unto him, Thou shall love THE LORD THY GOD with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is THE FIRST and great commandment. And the SECOND is like unto it. Thou shall love THY NEIGHBOUR as thyself. On these TWO commandments hang ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS".
(Matthew 22:37-40

JESUS WARNS HIS DISCIPLES:


"DO NOT CALL ANYONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER; for ONE IS YOUR FATHER, HE who is in heaven"
(Matthew 23:9)

The devil 'PAUL' BLASPEMOUSLY BOASTED:

"For I BECAME YOUR FATHER"
(1 Corinthians 4:15)


NOTE: Everyone of 'Paul's' papal successors BLASPHEMOUSLY claim, like 'Paul', the title "HOLY FATHER"; which Title belongs, EXCLUSIVELY, to THE ONLY TRUE GOD, THE FATHER, as testified by JESUS "HOLY FATHER" (John 17:3,11)



'PAUL' BOASTED THAT HE WAS EQUAL TO JESUS CHRIST
" In nothing was I behind THE MOST EMINENT (JESUS CHRIST)...IN SIGNS AND WONDERS AND MIGHTY DEEDS " (2 Cor. 12:11)


YESHUA(JESUS) THE MESSIAH WARNED

"MANY WILL COME USING MY NAME SAYING:
'I AM THE MESSIAH, RABBI, PASTOR, TEACHER'
(Matthew 24:5. Matthew 23:8,10)


The TRUE APOSTLE PETER testified: " JESUS of Nazareth A MAN ATTESTED BY GOD to you BY MIRACLES, WONDERS AND SIGNS "
(Acts 2:22)




Messenger: ROOK FARI SELAH Sent: 3/18/2008 7:39:39 PM
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That the APOSTLE PETER was the Divinely appointed "APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES" was unquestioned by The Twelve Apostles of The Lamb as PETER himself reminded them, at the Council meeting in Jerusalem:
"After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe"
(Acts 15:7).
At the same Council meeting the false apostle 'Paul' had "SECRETLY CREPT IN" (Jude 4) by changing his name from Saul to 'Paul'. When PETER had completed his testimony the false apostle 'Paul' sought to assert his self-assumed apostolic authority by "showing signs and wonders to deceive, if possible the elected twelve, as Yeshua (Jesus) had warned" (Acts 15:12. Matthew 24:24).
When this failed the devil and false apostle 'Paul' later sought to usurp the Divinely appointed authority of the APOSTLE PETER as the "APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES". 'Paul'wrote the LIE to his Galation followers that he ('Paul')and NOT PETER "was entrusted with the gospel to the Gentiles" (Galations 2:7). In that same infamous letter 'Paul' also attacked the integrity of the faithful apostle PETER by making un-corroborated and FALSE CHARGES against PETER. These same LIES have been preached and written about by Pauline Christian ministers for the last two thousand years


Messenger: ROOK FARI SELAH Sent: 3/18/2008 7:46:37 PM
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YES MY LAWD
IVE HEARD THAT ALSO
BUT CHRIST WAS A BOBO MY LAWD
SOUND FAR FETCHED TO SOME
BUT HE WAS PREIST PROPHET AND KING [TURBON AND ROBE] WHO TAUGHT FREEDOIME REDEMPTION U KNOW?
HE NEVER DEPARTED FROM HIS OWN WORDS HE NEVER WAS A CHRISTIAN IN A GENTILE VERSION
HE NEVER DEPARTED FROM BEING AN ISRAELITE NAZARITE BLACK MAN / GOD
CHRISTIANITY AS WE KNOW IT IN THE WEST IS PAULINE CHRISTIANITY
BECAUSE ANY TIME U BRING RASTAFARI TO A REGULAR AMERICAN CHRISTIAN
THEY BRING PAULS WORDS AND MISTAKE THEM FOR JESUS WORDS
IF IF INI SAY
INI DONT DO CERTAIN THINGS THEY WILL USE PAUL TO JUSTIFY THOSE SAME EVIL THINGS
SEE IT MY LAWD
HOLY IMMANUEL I



Messenger: Ark I Sent: 3/19/2008 12:50:12 AM
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Here is a reasoning I made about Paul before:


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Here is a reasoning related to those Scriptures. It shows other scriptures of Paul that better explain what he is saying, showing that he is saying the same thing that Khamyl just said. Many don't like to think about the part I am going to show, because it goes against their philosophy of "acceptable wickedness" and being "saved by Jesus". But before I show the part about Paul, I will speak from the Christian Source, Christ.

I and I are to be One with Jah and One with Christ, not separate. But people would prefer to listen to the preacherman, or apostles, over the words of Christ. The sacrifice of Christ, was that he taught I and I Jah way, because he knew that he would have to sacrifice his body to teach I and I this, because he knew that babylon would crucify him for teaching the truth to the people. But he still showed I and I, he sacrificed himself for this. So when people forget his words and teachings, it is a disrespect to the sacrifice Christ gave in order to show I and I these words.

Christ said,
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This is not a request, and Christ didn't say try to be so, but he said Be ye therefore perfect. And for people that think that the perfection is something less than this or that, Christ showed them, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. So this kind of perfection is the highest form of perfection there is.

The apostle Paul in some ways misleads the people by confusing them. Maybe he was trying to hide the truth so that only some will see, or maybe he was trying to mislead the people, and also inserting the truth, so the people could not speak against him. Only Jah knows this for sure, but the truth still can be seen in the words of Paul. The reason I say that his words are misleading is because he spends so much time sounding like he is saying that we are not required to live perfect, but are supposed to just repent and Christ will save us for our sins. And for only a couple of sentences he shows that the grace he is talking about doesn't make void the law (Law of Jah, not law of man), but the law is established.

Romans 3
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Some don't consider what he said above or the other things that he said to show the reality of righteousness, because they are so few in Paul's words. But some people do remember these words, but still don't require themselves to live in Jah way, they think that it will just happen one day when they die. But if people consider the words of Christ and read these words of Paul with Christ's teachings in mind, they will see the Truth. There is no law against righteousness, and if I and I are guided by Jah, then it is impossible to sin, so the law is of no effect for I and I. So by our choice, and the strength of Jah, I and I ways will be made perfect, because Jah will only guide I and I in perfection.

Galatians 5
13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


I see this as saying when I and I walk in Jah Spirit, we will not sin


17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.



So when I and I are led by the Spirit, I and I are not under the law because I and I are only walking in righteousness, because Jah Spirit would never guide I and I towards wickedness

Here are the works that are not of the Spirit. Laws do exist against these works, because they are sin


19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



The works of the flesh, which is called sin, include those things written above. It is not just the "big" sins like murder and others, but it also includes hatred, wrath, strife, envyings, drunkenness and revellings. So those that claim they are walking in the Spirit are only truly walking in the Spirit if they don't do these things. Otherwise, the most they could be doing is only partially walking in the Spirit.


Here are the fruits of the Spirit, which is called righteousness. No laws exist that are against these actions, so they are not under the law.


22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

So Christians have crucified the sinful part of theirself, and only walk in righteousness, because that is the only way Jah Spirit guides.


25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.





Selassie I also knew this, I have posted this before, but I will post it again.


When He sacrificed himself at Golgotha for the atonement of our sin, He prayed with His last breath for the forgiveness of those who had tortured Him saying, 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do'.

Shame on those of us who are Christians and do not follow the way of the Savior of the World, whose life was filled with kindness, humility, and martyrdom! If we lived by the laws he gave us and were worthy of being called Christian, peace would have reigned on this earth.

Men were supposed to be the equals of the living angels who unceasingly sang praises before the eternal God. Had this been so, peoples of the world would not have been divided along lines of enmity.



Romans 7 and 8

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Here are a couple of other reasonings.

Romans 7

Apostle Paul-Early Baldhead



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Messenger: ROOK FARI SELAH Sent: 3/19/2008 11:24:42 AM
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BLESSED LOVE GIVE THANKS FOR THE UPRISING U KNOW?
I WANT THE I DEM TO SEE AND KNOW
THAT IM NOT SAYING U CANT FIND TRUTH IN A LIAR
BUT PAUL IS A LIAR TO ME...
U HAVE TO READ ABOUT PAUL IN DEPTH TO KNOW HIM..
IM NOT AS SHARP ON THIS SUBJEC AS I WILL BE
MY MIND IS SCRAMBLIN TAKIN IN SO MUCH AT ONCE

LET ME SHOW U A PARTICULAR EVENT FOR INSTANCE
WHEN HE WAS AROUND JEWS HE CLAIMED TO BE A JEW....
HE WAS A WELL READ SCHOLAR OF TORAH,
BUT WHEN HE WAS WITH ROMANS HE WAS A ROMAN
THATS HOW HE DRAWS PEOPLE IN
AS A MATTER OF FACT
CHRIST SAID ITS A BLESSEIN TO DIE IN CHRIST NAME MARTRDOME U KNOW..
WHEN THEY WERE GOIN TOP KILL PAUL
WHAT DID HE DO???
SHOUT IM A ROMAN CITIZEN AND SAVED HIS OWN LIFE...COWARD IN MY BOOK..
LIKE BABYLON TRYIN TO KILL ME FOR BEIN BOBO!!
AND I SAY NO.. IM AN AMERICAN..U CANT KILL ME...
U CAN ALWAYS SEE TRUTH IN ANY LIE
IF U ARE A GOOD READER
BUT AT THE TIME AND PLACE HE WAS LYIONG TO PEOPLE HE WAS NOT A APOSTLE OF CHRIST NOR DECIPLE
BUT A SELF PROCLAIMED LEADER WHO ROBBED PETER
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS PETR IS THE ROCK
THEY ARE LYIN ITS PAUL WHO THEY LIVE BY IN SPIRIT
IF U WERE WITH CHRIST IN SPIRIT U WOULD WALK HOLY AS IMMANUEL
THE WHOLE IDEA OF LIVE BABYLON WAY 6 DAYS A WEEK
AND DO YOUR 30 SECOND FORGIVENESS PRAYER ON SUNDAY U ARE FREE TO DO IT ALL AGAIN.IS PAULINE THEOLOGY
YES WE CAN GET 4 GIVENESS
BUT TO KEEP DOIN THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER..
ITS NOT REPENTANCE
IS LIKE NAILIN CHRIST TO THE CROSS YOUR SELF AND SAYIN FORGIVE ME I GOT TO DO THIS AGAIN TO U MY LAWD..
IF U ASK PEOPLE RANDOM ON THE SREET....ARE THEY SAVED ...
EVEN
IF CHRIST WAS THE LAST THING ON THEIR MIND ALL YEAR
THEY WILL SAY BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS IM SAVED MY SINS ARE FOR GIVIN
I DONT CARE IF THEY ARE WALKIN OUT A PORN SHOP
OR A CRACK HOUSE
THIS IS THE COMMON ANSWER ON THE STREET...CRHIST WAS NOT A SOFT HEARTED HIPPIE
HE WALKED IN THE TEMPLE AND
TOLD THEM WHAT IT DO HIGH PREISTS TO COMMON PEOPLE
HE RAMSACKED THE PLACE THROWIN MONEY FLIPPIN TABLES
HE TOLD HIS OWN BREDREN SHUT UP SATAN GET BEHIND ME
HE WAS NOT AN EASY GUY..TO ITS LIKE THIS
I ROB MY BREDREN, CLOSE BREDREN, AND I CPOME BACK CRYIN ,GIVIN BACK WHAT I TOOK SAYIN FORGIVE ME WE R BETTER THAN THIS....
WHOLE HEARTEDLY I CAN GET FORGIVENESS
BUT IF I GO AND COME BACK TOMMOROW AND ROB HIM AGAIN I WONT FOOL HIM TWICE U SEE
IF INI WOULDNT DO THAT TO OUR FRIEND HOW CAN INI DO IT TO OUR GOD
PAUL MADE CIT ACCEPTABLE IN THE HEART OF BABYLON





Messenger: Prince Hotep Sent: 3/19/2008 11:39:07 AM
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blessed love
yes I see how paul was.
and yes the 6 day devil, 1 day Christ doesn't work...anyway it's like a pill all they want is a pill to cure from them from their sickness, but that pill only make them more sick. And the whole worship is funny because it does happen to be sun worship, SUNday 12 o'clock when sun reaches it's zenit...nothing to do with Christ. And yes Pauls message depends on who he preached it to, for I it's selling out. apostasy at it's best.


Messenger: ROOK FARI SELAH Sent: 3/19/2008 11:44:43 AM
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IF I ROB MY BREDREN, CLOSE BREDREN, AND I COME BACK CRYIN ,GIVIN BACK WHAT I TOOK SAYIN FORGIVE ME BROTHER I WAS OUT OF IT WE R BETTER THAN THIS....
WHOLE HEARTEDLY I CAN GET FORGIVENESS
BUT IF I GO AND COME BACK TOMMOROW AND ROB HIM AGAIN I WONT FOOL HIM TWICE U SEE
IF INI WOULDNT DO THAT TO OUR FRIEND HOW CAN INI DO IT TO OUR GOD
PAUL MADE IT ACCEPTABLE IN THE HEART OF BABYLON
TO ACT LIKE WE CAN FOOL, GOD
AND REALLY THEY FOOLED THEM SELVES
YOU ARE NOT TRULLY SORRY FOR SOMETHIN U DO EVERY DAY IF U WERE THAT BOTHERED BY IT UD STOP EVEN IF U NEVER KNEW GOD


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