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Messenger: mdjonas Sent: 1/17/2004 3:45:17 PM
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Peace.
This is a faith thing. Because it is my faith that I come from Jah. Just so as I have faith that Jah is the creator, and I know that I live, it show me that I come from Jah. So it is my faith that show me that I come from Jah.
Then my faith show me that I am perfect because I come from Jah, and Jah is perfect and pure. Love forward from love. Knowledge forward from knowledge. Power forward from power.

My mind would imagine things that is wrong. But that cannot be so. It has to be illusion when my mind "see" those things. Let the I them look within and see that any time a thought come that say the I is corrupt then that is only illusion.
So to answer the question directly, I cannot do anything contrary to Jah. Contrary to Jah do not even exist. As I exist it show that I am not contrary. As I exist itinually it show that I am not contrary at any time.
I am showing that proofs, that when a man have faith that Jah is the creator of everything, and a man know that he, the man, exist and is conscious, then the oneness of man and Jah follow clearly.
I and I must realize one thing also, that I have a beam in I eye. That mean that things I perceive might not be so. I man must not live by sight (physical and mental) but by faith.
Let I sight tell I that I am contrary and I faith will know surely that it is not so. That mean it got to be illusion I am seeing when I see that. Surely in the past I have been under this illusion in many forms, telling I that I did wrong things and had evil intentions and so on. But today I man stand up and say that any allegation against the Sons of Jah is folly, ignorance,illusion, belief and all those other names I can use to describe it. Main thing is that it is not reality.
Jah create reality, and what Jah create is perfect. And Jah create I, so I stand perfect. Any evil or contrary part of I cannot exist, because that would mean Jah create something evil.
If anyone believe that part of them is evil, then who create it? They got to believe in two creators and two creation. But that don't make sense. The oneness that guide any man show him right away that cannot be true.
Africa! Jah!
Do anyone see what I am showing?


Messenger: ijah Sent: 1/17/2004 4:10:28 PM
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Greetings ,JAH Selassie I RasTafari lives

actualy,Jonas,me nah see what you are trying fe show InI.
but iman do see that ye are not answering Bro Ark I s question....
You know as well as we all inhere,what ``being ONE with JAH``holds...
So,please nah try fe circle aroun the topic,and seeking word-misphilosophies!!!!That is not what InI RasTafari cukture teaches.


BlessedOneLove&Inity

Ijah


Messenger: Nefertiti Sent: 1/17/2004 5:53:30 PM
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Blessed love brehtern and sistren, JAH RASTA FARI

Ras Jonas, I site that the "faith" thing becomes like a middle man between the I and Jah. That is what INI site. Heartically, I don't site the reason for that.

Oneness is not being part of JAH it is JAH. Not being led or following - IT IS BEING. "Faith" INI site is a path or an exercise, but no a way or being. "faith" a rewiring of mind process to come to awareness, like a path to a destination. The focus is to be at ZION not to constantly site the path as ZION. And further be wholly fullfilled at ZION.

UNLIKE taking a trip somewhere and the destination is sort of a let down but the journey was enjoyable, so u plan another trip. ya Site ?

Illusion is the word the I site a lot. Illusion is something that is known to be not Truth, by some sort of testing physically or mentally. Many ones live in illusion because of ignorance, meaning they KNOW but IGNORE what they know. But illusion is always tested.

U said -So to answer the question directly, I cannot do anything contrary to Jah.-
But that is the thing brother, "we" as in I, are constantly doing things contrary to JAH. Because if we weren't we would not even be concerned with discussing this at all. Because until I overstand Jah wholly, and I do at moments, I am still just nefertiti. IT is only when I am INI that there is wholenss.

-Contrary to Jah do not even exist. As I exist it show that I am not contrary. As I exist itinually it show that I am not contrary at any time.-
Jah allows I to exist and allows I to be contrary. InI cannot be ignorant to the murder and wickedness going on, because I have no illusions about it. But that doesnot mean that I become part of it. Contrary to JAH brings discpline, but it does not affect Jah. It affects jah I-ration. I am not a puppet with strings being pulled by some thing in the heavens.

-I am showing that proofs, that when a man have faith that Jah is the creator of everything, and a man know that he, the man, exist and is conscious, then the oneness of man and Jah follow clearly.

Rasta, I site what the I is striving for. It is however is not a process, ini site. it is a livity that is consciously taken. Not a one time deal, not a certificate of completion, a timeless thing thru spirit that is today now yesterday and tomorrow.

Rita marely says "everyone one must meet their waterloo"
and "every day is another judgement day".

rasta don't graduate today to oneness and life is all smiling...nEvah,,, it is a conscious struggle that takes on struggle each day. No beginning and no end.

As for evil that is from pride, greed and vanity. no other way to site it because it is not physical. Pride is what forced the first man from Eden, vanity is the thing that caused the first murder, greed is what caused the the first war. Jah did not make evil. Some have considered creation evil, does that make Jah evil ? Nevah !! Site Jah allows man to do evil because that be the way that man be made humble again. Evilness only benefits man for awhile. It is an individual benefit that will be taken away 2 fold.

I struggle against those forces of evil, many of them taught I over the years. Evil is a sneaky and sly thing....it is the thing that scratches at the weakest of the I being. INI perfection, not I alone.

Blessed Love Jah Rasta Far I.
ONE LOVE Peace


Messenger: Zion Child Sent: 1/17/2004 7:02:44 PM
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Greetings...

I&I are constantly going through struggles in Babylon and in I&I's flesh. Yet, in the midst of I&I's struggle Jah gives us His I-sight and strength to continue in the livity and faith. So, I&I have to walk in that path of His I-sight and do what I&I know He wants. Which is to live in Haile Selassie I's order, walking as queens and kings, lions and lioness', and keep our temples clean. Let that fire, the i-ternal fire burn, refine us unitl Jah is the only thing seen. Seen? When Babylon's offspring come up to I&I all they should see is Jah, when I&I speak Jah should be heard, when I&I are passing by the darkness should flee 'cause Jah's light and fire is upon I&I! Jah Rastafari, Haile Selassie I, the King of all iration, the beginning with no end, King of Kings, the King of all Glory!

Blessings,

Zion Child


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/18/2004 10:10:01 PM
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Greetings,

Jonas, if a man truly have faith and are One with Jah, then all things are overcome, and I and I cannot do anything different then Gods instruction. But as long as we do things different then Jah instruction, then we don't have faith, and we are not One. How can vinegar come from honey? So how can a person that is One with Jah bring forth any kind of wickedness?

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James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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And to show the I what is of God, and what is not, look at the scripture below. If the works of the flesh are manifest, then that is not One with God, but is contrary. If I and I have faith in Jah, then I and I will only bring forth the fruits of the Spirit.

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Galations 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Faith in Jah cannot allow the ways of the flesh. Faith in Jah is about trusting the Most High for protection and Guidance and to help I and I accomplish all things that I and I must do. So if I and I trust in Jah, then I and I will also trust his direction. And Jah will never lead I and I into wickedness.

By their fruits shall Jah people be known.


Blessings and Strength,

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: mdjonas Sent: 1/20/2004 11:51:13 AM
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The pharisees that condemn Jesus had much good logics. Jah say in the law not to work on the Sabbath and Jesus work on the Sabbath, doing preacher work and doctor work, so they say he break the law.
Good thing Jesus never deal with that logics, because although it sound very intelligent it is actually nonsense. They perceive Jesus to be working when he was doing those things, but actually he was not working. So they whole thinking gone haywire because they cannot know who breaking the law against working when they don't even know properly what is work and what is not work.
The I-dren say that corruption is within them. That mean that they see corruption there and judge it to be corrupt. But what is the criteria for that judgement? How are you sure that it is corrupt? How can you judge clearly right from wrong with a beam in your eye? Won't it be just like the Pharisees trying to interpret the law with their mind instead of their heart?
My mother sent me to shop when I was small, and sometimes I took some money extra. More forward when I realize that Jah live I feel shame, because I say it was her money and I stole it. Today I see that it was I and I money and I use it. No need for shame. It is the words that make me judge myslef and feel shame before, but now I overcome the words.
Babylon say that the world belong to the system. Rastafari know that it is not so. Babylon say you are stealing and committing crime when you burn the herb. They use words to trick us, and they use good logics with the false words. Here is how they reason: The world belong to the people, the people appoint them as leaders, they make the law, so that is the right law of the land. So when we break those words that they say and burn the herb we are stealing from the people and violating the people, because we are taking away their right to decide what goes on in the land.
It is only higher knowledge that make us know that them is not the rightful rulers just because of a vote among the people. Most people still think their law is law.
Men judge my actions when I burn and say it is wrong. The bible say I must obey authority, and those who say they are authorities condemn burning. But I don't accept their claim to authority. I don't accept their elections neither their laws. So I don't accept when they condemn my actions.
A man make a million stealing legally from the people as a stock broker or something. If I see the need to take something from him then it is my right. He say he is right, and the world say he is right when I know he is wrong. A man who buy a big mansion and many useless things and do not help the poor is a thief I say. But the world say he is legal. A man who is hungry and take from a man who has too much for him alone is right I say, but the world say he is a criminal. The world don't know good from bad. Babylon teach us a false conception of what is good and bad and leave I and I condemning good things and accepting wrong things and calling them good.
Right now I don't judge any actions. A man kill or take something from another and I don't judge those actions. The beam in my eye might be confusing my sight, so I don't want to make a mistake.
This is how I judge. The only creator is the one who create what is created, meaning that he cause everything that happen to happen. If he do it, then it is good. I will do what I can, what I need to do, and that is good.
I don't follow words and names and logics. I follow faith in the one God.
It is babylon tell us we are separated from Jah. Babylon tell us we are doing wrong things, and show us what to say is right and wrong. They say we fall from grace and so on. They say we are corrupt. They say we think evil thoughts and are separated from the father. They create laws of morality and say when we go against that it is wrong. Jesus whip the people selling in the temple, which of you would not say I was harsh and ignorant if I do that today in parliament? It just show your thinking is false. Jesus say to Peter, "Get away from me you devil, Satan!". Would the I them say I am right to say that to a brother? Or would the I's say I am arrogant and harsh?
Don't try judging with a beam in your eye. Know heartically that Jah rule all of creation, and I and I are one with him. Don't hesitate or look for support in laws or ideologies or scriptures. I and I heart is I and I only guide, not laws and words and names and perceptions.
I am Jah word. Jah word is Jah. Not understanding the word don't kill the truth of it.
The I's them is not corrupt. The I's them is perfect. Only leave to realize that it is so. I and I already overcome but it only leave to realize it. "The black man armegeddon is past, he has been reborn..." "To those who overcome I will give to eat freely of the tree of life." I and I realize so much already that was wrong in our thinking before. Now why would we lean on our thinking still? Lean on our heart, that is Jah. Realize. Africa!


Messenger: mdjonas Sent: 1/20/2004 11:54:26 AM
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I am not a puppet. I am Jah. I do his will freely, because I want to. I don't have faith, I know. That is what I mean when I say faith, not a thing that is a struggle.
I answer the question ten times already.
I will is Jah will. Jah will is I will. No slavery, just love.


Messenger: ijah Sent: 1/20/2004 12:40:00 PM
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HAIL SELASSIE I RASTAFARI,


Little mixup in the mixup,i would say....


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 1/20/2004 5:00:45 PM
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Greetings,

Here are some quotes from the I Jonas. And I know that Jah would never say any of these things.

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I don't claim to know everything, and there is many holes if I was to try and explain everything fully, because I do not have full knowledge.
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I man do not know the future, but I can only guess.
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I man don't question Jah choices, because those things He created were for the best. I don't have the full overstanding of HOW it was for the best, but I do know it was so, simply because it happen. It happen, mean it was created, mean that the creator do it. That mean Jah do it, and that mean it is a good thing, even if I can't understand how it is good. Even if it look bad when I think about it, that can only be illusion making it look so, and me making false assumptions and not thinking clearly. If I had the full knowledge of everything I would see how it is good those things that Jah did that seem so terrible to us.
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So how can the I be Jah, and say these things? Jah is One, Jah is not two, so either a man is One with Jah or he is not.


Bless,

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: mdjonas Sent: 1/22/2004 12:57:41 PM
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Okay, no problem.
I see that Ark I is using my words to show a contradiction in what I am saying. Words are problematic, so I wouldn't get into that.
Ijah is doing the same thing, because it is that words I speak that are sounding mix up.
When I and I receive the overstanding we will see the fullness of these things. No make sense push right now, to me.
More life.


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