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Messenger: The BANNED -- Hemphill Sent: 3/2/2019 10:37:24 AM

Yup.. There we have it. "Maduro is like Hialie Selassie"

Still wont even acknowledge the fact that he arrests journalists. Cant even disagree with me on it. You just completely ignore it over and over again.

Hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans disagree with you Nesta. They are taking to the streets to protest the dictator

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 3/2/2019 11:08:03 AM

That's what happens in a free country with democracy (in ALL free countries with democracies): Many people disagree with the party in power and its leaders. In a free country they take to the streets. It's happening in France. That doesn't make Emmanuel Macron a "brutal dictator".

Millions of Americans would like to see Donald Trump removed from office for his criminal behavior and corruption, but that does not mean we advocate or would support interference with our nation's internal affairs by a foreign government to help to remove him (and obviously not military intervention). There are always factions in every country which are dissatisfied with the incumbent leaders. This is not inherently bad, despite the fact that the CIA and associated NGOs have made it a science to organize dissenting members of other societies to violently overthrow governments that do not serve "U.S. interests".

This is a great concept to bear in mind: "There is nothing more undemocratic than a coup d’état" - Alfed de Zayas

And you refuse to answer my question: Why do Venezuela's TV stations, radio stations and newspapers remain in the hands of the rich "opposition" and continue to be operated by them if Maduro is a brutal dictator. Do you think the America's Shah of Iran allowed that?

Messenger: The BANNED -- Hemphill Sent: 3/2/2019 11:31:02 AM

Im glad you brought up France and the yellow vest protests. Macron may not be a dictator but he is a flaming gloablist who is on his knees for the brutal EU and the people have had enough! Fantastic!!

Controll of the press is not an end all be all determining factor of a dictator. But arresting those journalists for reporting forbidden information most DEFINITELY is. But you still cant even speak on the fact that Maduro has done this. LOL

Messenger: The BANNED -- Hemphill Sent: 3/2/2019 11:31:36 AM

Maduro government detains, expels journalists in bid to keep power

Spanish reporter Gonzalo Domínguez is seen Thursday after his release from government custody in Caracas, Venezuela.

CARACAS, Venezuela — The Venezuelan government has stepped up efforts to quash news coverage of an opposition effort to overthrow President Nicolás Maduro, arresting at least 10 journalists over the past week in moves that have drawn protests from the European Union and Spain.

All were subsequently released or deported.

Two foreign journalists covering the developments for the Spanish news agency EFE were detained at their hotel Wednesday evening by rifle-toting internal security police. The crackdown comes as Maduro faces the strongest challenge so far to his grip on power.

Spanish reporter Gonzalo Domínguez and Colombian producer Maurén Barriga Vargas were taken to the Helicoide — a notorious jail where political prisoners are usually held.

Messenger: The BANNED -- Hemphill Sent: 3/2/2019 11:41:34 AM

I have given multiple examples of Maduro arrsting journalists but Nesta cant even bring himself to utter a single word about this.

Extremely telling

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 3/2/2019 11:55:56 AM

I'm still missing the "brutal" part (heck, the American police were more violent downpressing the Occupy Movement protests than the Venezuelan cops have been) and the "dictator" part (Maduro continues to rule & exercise his powers according to the Venezuelan constitution which is why the Venezuelan military continue to back him). It's not like he's ordering drone strikes to murder citizens of his own country (like at least one country's president does). If Maduro were flouting the Venezuelan constitution the military would be splintering.

I told you: "brutal dictator" is a standard Western propaganda cliche - even a poorly-educated person should be able to recognize that. Putin's a "brutal dictator", Xi's a "brutal dictator", Duterte's a "brutal dictator", Ortega's a "brutal dictator", Castro's a "brutal dictator", Assad's a "brutal dictator, Rouhani's a "brutal dictator, Gaddafi's a "brutal dictator.... ya starting to get the picture yet? Or do you seriously believe that all those guys are "brutal dictators"?

Oh and don't forget: Mohammed bin Salman is NOT a "brutal dictator" (by American propaganda standards), he's a good friend and ally of the U.S.

You don't seriously think the U.S. cares about human rights or democracy do you? Please, we're grown ups here. We're not going to pretend like the U.S. hasn't installed some of the most bloodthirsty tyrannical despots in the world to serve as its puppets. The U.S. doesn't give a rat's ass about human beings or their rights. We can at least put those cards on the table and forego that pretense can't we?

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 3/2/2019 12:00:28 PM

Why are you speaking of me in the third person Hemphill? That's kind of childish. We're the only ones here.

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 3/2/2019 12:53:52 PM

After Hugo Chavez and Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela, PSUV, began ruling in 1999, there were many positive changes in Venezuela. The U.S. and the wealthy oligarchies of Latin America simply could not permit a socialist success story to take root in Venezuela. Economic warfare and efforts to undermine the Chavez government were initiated immediately by Washington.

The following examples of Chavista accomplishments provide insight into why the uber-wealthy elites of both the U.S. and Venezuela are so anxious to discredit Chavista “socialism” and to regain control of Venezuela in order to re-immerse it in the bondage of its former traditional quasi-feudal socioeconomic model.

-From 1999 to 2011, the poverty rate decreased from 42.8% to 26.5% and the rate of extreme poverty fell from 16.6% in 1999 to 7% in 2011.

-From 1999 to 2005 almost 1.5 million poor people were taught by free government programs to read and write. I 2005 the country was declared to be “an “illiteracy free zone”.

-The number of children attending school increased from 6 million in 1998 to 13 million in 2011 and the enrollment rate is now 93.2%.

-Missions Ribas and Sucre allowed tens of thousands of young adults to undertake university studies. Thus, the number of tertiary students increased from 895,000 in 2000 to 2.3 million in 2011, assisted by the creation of new universities.

-With regard to health, they created the National Public System to ensure free access to health care for all Venezuelans. Between 2005 and 2012, 7873 new medical centers were created in Venezuela.

-The number of doctors increased from 20 per 100,000 population in 1999 to 80 per 100,000 in 2010, or an increase of 400%.

-Under President Chavez social expenditures increased by 60.6%.

-Before 1999, only 387,000 elderly people received a pension. Now the figure is 2.1 million.

-Since 1999, the government provided / returned more than one million hectares of land to Aboriginal people.

-Land reform enabled tens of thousands of farmers to own their land. In total, Venezuela distributed more than 3 million hectares.

-Five million children now receive free meals through the School Feeding Programme. The figure was 250,000 in 1999.

-The malnutrition rate fell from 21% in 1998 to less than 3% in 2012.
According to the FAO, Venezuela (prior to the full force of U.S. sanctions) under PSUVwas the most advanced country in Latin America and the Caribbean in the eradication of hunger.

-The nationalization of the oil company PDVSA in 2003 allowed Venezuela to regain its energy sovereignty.

-The nationalization of the electrical and telecommunications sectors (CANTV and Electricidad de Caracas) allowed the end of private monopolies and guaranteed universal access to these services.

-The unemployment rate fell from 15.2% in 1998 to 6.4% in 2012, with the creation of more than 4 million jobs.

-The minimum wage increased from $16/month in 1998 to $ 330/month in 2012, i.e., an increase of over 2,000%. This is the highest minimum wage in Latin America.

-Adults at a certain age who have never worked still get an income equivalent to 60% of the minimum wage.

-Women without income and disabled people receive a pension equivalent to 80% of the minimum wage.

-Public debt fell from 45% of GDP in 1998 to 20% in 2011. Venezuela withdrew from the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, after early repayment of all its debts.

-In 2012, the growth rate was 5.5% in Venezuela, one of the highest in the world.

-For the first time in its history, Venezuela has its own satellites (Bolivar and Miranda) and is now sovereign in the field of space technology. The entire country has internet and telecommunications coverage.

-The creation of Petrocaribe in 2005 allows 18 countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, or 90 million people, secure energy supply, by oil subsidies of between 40% to 60%.

-Venezuela also provides assistance to disadvantaged communities in the United States by providing fuel at subsidized rates.

-Hugo Chavez was at the heart of the creation in 2011 of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC) which brings together for the first time the 33 nations of the region, emancipated from the tutelage of the United States and Canada.

Messenger: The BANNED -- Hemphill Sent: 3/2/2019 2:14:46 PM

American media does not paint him as a dictator. In fact, just like you, much of the left and especially Bernie Sanders celebrates Maduro.

Maduro keeps the generals around him in line by a combination of making them part of that narco-trafficking and the monies that proceed from it, and at the same time, by Cuban security that he has dividing the generals one against the other so they wont think about creating a coup.

The military is splintered. Many support Guiado, even top officials.

But go ahead and side with socialism and Bernie Sanders. Here is nice Bernie quote im sure you will enjoy and agree with. “You know, it’s funny. Sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is when people are lining up for food,” he said. “That’s a good thing.”

You want ruthless? Maduro orders military to kill humanitarian aid truck driver:

Messenger: Nesta1 Sent: 3/3/2019 2:35:50 AM

The video shows absolutely nothing.

I'm not sure who writes the fiction you're parroting about the Venezuelan military for you, but despite the negative stereotypes their are an overwhelming majority of Latino military officer and soldiers who are very patriotic and disciplined, and who uphold their oaths to defend their country's constitution.

BTW, U.S. ally Columbia is the hub for narcotrafficking and its business "spills over" into other states as is convenient. Among the the Caribbean states which have most effectively reined narcotrafficking (but been able to stop it altogether) are Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela.

I think this is dead for now. You're not interested in what's really going on in Venezuela (or anywhere else), only in finding validation for the CIA's regime change narrative. You don't need to look to hard - the CIA has it on every channel.

If I find anything educational, I'll post it for the reference of the person who may happen upon this thread in the future.

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