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Messenger: Brother Jahphet I Sent: 12/29/2003 6:49:23 AM
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Greetings I

Yes true words that!
Of course, what you say is true, but let me show you how I think about that.

Man can never be perfect, ONLY Jah is perfect. Yes he created us in his image, but that does not mean that we are perfect.
We should humble ourself and should learn from JAH, instead of thinking, "oh I am already perfect as god, what should I learn since I am already perfect?"
Like you said, the free will. The free will bring the sin. We are not GODs "puppets on a string", no, he gave us the will to decide, good or bad.
And NO human beeing is perfect, I think.
But forget perfection... Babylon tell about perfection, and them people try and try to be perfect. The keyword is "R"ighteousness!
That is what a man must try to be, righteous!
Yes maybe you think you are already perfect, yes maybe you are right.
But I am too humble to think, I am perfect as Jah is perfect.
No, to me that sounds like this New Age "Everybody can be God".
Would we be perfect our faith would be so strong that we could tell a hill to move, seen?
So we have to seek for Righteousness in us, not for perfection.

Ah yes the bible...
I do not read the KJV, because I only heard negative about it.
I read a german one, shure it is not the pure word, and man shouldnīt take it literal. Like I said, you have to find the spirit of the bible in itīs words, donīt follow every word on this sheets, but find out, what are this words all together. And find the divine spirit, the TRUTH, for yourselve in the bible. And this one should follow.
Read your KJV, because you know it is a changed one, so you know one shouldnīt take it literal.
But no matter in what language... Like his Majesty teach.
It is always the same message, same spirit, same TRUTH! ONE TRUTH

I think one is not able to overstand the bible, or to find the truth in it, without studying the Kebra Nagast and His Majesty words.
And of course I n I Rastafari Elders teachings help the overstanding a lot!
I am just a youth on the beginning of my way.
The "truth" that I find in all this together, in RastafarI, changes from time to time. Because one single sentence of His Majesty could change everything.
Yes I know the Ethiopian Bible, many books in it which are not in mine. I bredren is member of the EOC, so he told me.

And when I read the bible, how could I deny the law?
Of course we donīt know if every word is true or right interpreted, but we can find the whole message that the law is, Righteousness!
When all the world people would follow Zion there would be a world full of Righteousness.
As you said, Yeshuah is the second Zion.
No I say, he is the same Zion! He came with the same message on this earth like Zion! Jah word in stone and in flesh, but the same word!
He never came to take the law away, but to fulfill the law, to show I n I how to follow the law in Righteousness, how to understand it right. Not Pharasene Biz! Pure Righteousness! Following the law only to keep the community and to live Righteous for Jah, follow the law humble! HUMBLENESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS is the salvation Yeshuah teach!
His teachings are the saving! Following his teachings with true heart makes one righteous, this is the only way through this Armagiddeon. This is the only salvation. Righteous through this Endtime, only the righteous shall survive, no weak heart shall enter ZION gates!

Blessed love to all the Is, and I give thanks for this reasoning.
Please nobody feel offended, I just want to show the Is my thoughts.
Keep up this reasoning!
Thank you for sharing wisdom with I!
Brother Jahphet I


Messenger: the rock Sent: 12/29/2003 7:53:44 AM
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it is the same to say that from one book that all was written.from begining to end a2z.all the book of enlighttenment.are written for gods creation.made in the image of something that is prefect.blinded by man decision to make his on rule.all man are made equal.it is what they do on the way that changes there devine mission, which would bring them back to from were they came.
thank you all.
love to the poele
soneone22
the rock
one


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 12/29/2003 10:07:21 AM
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Greetings,

For man, it is impossible to be perfect, but for Jah, nothing is impossible. So if I and I have faith in Jah, Jah will make I and I ways perfect. It is true that everyone falls short of the glory of Jah, if I and I look around, I and I can see that this is true. But this is the state of the world now and in the past, it is not a limit for I and I in the future, or even right now if I and I faith is strong enough. I and I can be perfect in Jah way, I and I just have to listen to Jah. Why does the I think that Christ said "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

He didn't tell I and I to be perfect because it is impossible, but he told I and I to be so because it is truly possible. Here are some examples of scripture of Christ that tell I and I to be so:

Perfect Livity

And to I, the word try contains too much doubt. I don't try, but I do. And if I don't do now, I will blaze more fire, until I ways are made straight. If a man has faith that his ways will never be perfect, then this is truth, it is impossible for this man to be perfect, because he says so. But if a man has faith in Jah, that his ways will be perfect, then this is truth, and he will become perfect, because this is his faith. I can't say I am perfect right now, because my mind is still not completely One with Jah, so I my thoughts are not perfect. But I will never say that it is impossible, because I know that if I do, then I will make it truth and I will die in sin. And no sin shall not enter into Zion.

Look at the power of faith. Some people had faith that they would be healed if Christ touched them, and they were healed. Christ showed them that "your faith has healed you". Some people had faith that they would be healed if they only touched the clothes of Christ, and they were healed. And one man had faith that Christ could heal his servant from across the city, without even seeing the servant, and the servant was healed. Christ said of this man:

Luke 7
9 When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

With faith all things are possible, it is only through lack of faith that I and I limit ourself.

And I don't see Babylon dealing with perfection at all, they deal with wickedness. Babylon teaches that all we have to do is ask forgiveness, and we are free from sin, and accepted by Jah. But I and I must repent, and repent is not about asking for forgiveness, repent is about turning away from sin, to live a different way. This is the meaning of the word repent.

Trod toward Jah, and be One,

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: the rock Sent: 12/29/2003 10:13:25 AM
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words of the most HIGH
TURTH


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 12/29/2003 10:40:49 AM
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Greetings,

I used to just accept every word from the bible. And if something didn't seem justified to I, I would think of a reasoning to make sense of it. But after some time, I would see that the reasoning I made was weak and did not justify it at all, so I would think of another reasoning to justify it. But after some more time, I would see that my new reasoning didn't justify it either.

So now I only accept what is justified within myself. Because I won't go against the Spirit of Truth within I and deal with something that I see as wrong. If I later come to an Iverstanding, and sight the justification, then I will accept it, but if not, I won't.

I already showed the examples that Christ spoke about to point out what I and I should or should not worry about concerning the law. Here are some examples of scriptures that I sight are not justified within Iself:

Leviticus 21
17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
22 He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.

I don't see why a person with a broken foot or crooked back, blind or dwarf should not offer bread unto Jah. I feel this is from man, not Jah.

And in Corinthians 11, where Paul speaks against man wearing long hair. That is not justified for I, so I don't deal with that.

And I don't accept that a woman has no say, and should just do whatever a man say. Many men out there are not good examples of Jah livity, and all they will do is teach a woman foolishness. And a woman shouldn't go against God, because a man tell her to do it.

And also, I sight that the men who don't consider the instruction and opinion of their wife will be weak. I will never refuse good instruction, or correction, no matter who brings it to I. I don't have any desire to continue in foolishness because I am too stubborn to deal with what a woman say.

A man and woman come together as One, and Jah should be their guide and light. A woman often times will think of things that a man doesn't, and a man will often times think of things that a woman doesn't. So as One, I and I should rise and come closer to Jah, as One mind.

There are also other parts in the scripture that are not justified within Iself, and I am not blind, so I will not be lead by the blind. If I can see for Iself why something is so, then I will deal with it. And if the parts of the bible that are not justified to I are written by people that can see, then there should be a way to explain the justification.


Jah Blessings and Guidance,

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: the rock Sent: 12/29/2003 11:20:12 AM
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So now lets each one teach one. I say this even as a man with enlightment knows as soon as he is brought to the most highest understandings, he finds he must begin again. That is what humbles a true servant of God, or I should say pupil of God. Cause believe this Ill tell you brothers and sisters in this reality we sit in today physically it seems that man holds all the keys but what created this world is celestrial, which brought forth this physical. I think I should go to the root of the tree to know how its grown that I might duplicate the same growth.
Praise to JAH-JAH almighty Rastafari
Sonone22


Messenger: Ark I Sent: 12/29/2003 11:38:31 AM
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True,

I and I root is the source of I and I Life.

Jah RasTafarI, Haile Selassie I

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I


Messenger: Nefertiti Sent: 12/29/2003 1:31:09 PM
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Blessed Love....More on this at the time....

CONSIDER....

The book did not make the head////the head made the book....

I did not make Jah....Jah make INI..............

Jah Rasta Far I


Messenger: Brother Jahphet I Sent: 12/29/2003 5:06:30 PM
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Greetings I

Yes, I see what the I want say...

Yeshuah told us to be perfect like his father, as you said.
But why did he say so? Maybe he just wanted to show dem people that them must follow Jah again?

But what you mean when you say "perfect"?
Shure everybodyīs image is perfect, because it is Jah-made!
But show me the doings of just one man which are PERFECT!
You wonīt find only ONE! I think.
I canīt understand this perfect-talk.
My bible do not tell me to be perfect, man can not make himself perfect. Only Jah can do so, because he is the ONLY perfect!
But what man can do, is to be RIGHTEOUS!
That is the important thing. And we must TRY with full heart to do the things, all a dem, in a righteous way!
Because Armageddon time now. Only the righteous shall survive!

Perfect man... this idea drives menkind crazy ever since!
Because this is the DEVISION! Man only want to be perfect to be better than his fellow man, seen? That is what I meant, when I said Babylon talk all this perfect-things.
And this ideology in Babylon brains goes dangerous ways. We all know what happened when one race tried to be "the perfect" and destroy all the others.
When all men would be perfect, it wouldnīt be interesting to no Babylon man anymore. Because this man want to be better then the others, he want to look down on his own brothers!
I nah deal with that.
But I am shure the I is speaking of another perfection.
And maybe we talk about exactly the same thing, but you call it "perfect" and I call it "righteous", seen.
This language biz can make much confusion!

Yes the power of FAITH...
But do you think FAITH alone could heal all dem people without Yeshuah? Because you said their faith healed them people.
I think what Yeshuah meant is, that only because of their strong faith he helped them. It is like with the canaanite woman, Yeshuah didnīt want to help her, because she was no Israelite, but then he saw her strong faith and helped her.
Because otherwise they would be able to heal themselves, and didnīt need Yeshuah for this, seen?

And yes brother the bible...
But you know, the bible is the divine word of JAH.
Just because I do not understand it, I wonīt follow?
Jah is so perfect that I cannot understand everything he is doing.
And you talked about Paul.
You know, I man nah deal with his teachings. To me this is pure man-made.... man-made law, philosophy and teachings.
I read all about him, I even visited one of the islands he lived some time during his jurneys. I studied this man really well, because I really wanted to understand him.
But still his teachings are only man-made, to me. I canīt even understand why his letters are in the bible.
But this is another story, I just wanted explain, that I do not deal with all his teachings too.
So I do not worry about what this man said about the queens, because he speak against all Jah teachings I know.

Again I thank the Is for sharing wisdom!
Brother Jahphet I


Messenger: the rock Sent: 12/29/2003 5:31:13 PM
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(Yeshuah didnīt want to help her, because she was no Israelite, but then he saw her strong faith and helped her.
Because otherwise they would be able to heal themselves, and didnīt need Yeshuah for this, seen?)

so Yeshuah picked one over the other.
and you think paul is a made man.
i do not understand how you read the bible.
you said it is gods law.
but you pick apart with reasoning.
from a2z.faith-work-love.
thank you all let keep working
sonone22


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