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Garvey's hatefull editorial Bout His Majesty

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Messenger: Jah Bird Sent: 8/19/2008 4:49:08 PM
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Greetings One and all in the name of Emperor Haile I Selassie I,
INI came bout this editorial in another forum..thought ini might share it here.. i am sure some ppl have read this before.
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Editorial by Marcus Garvey in the Black Man - London, March/April 1937

THE FAILURE OF HAILE SELASSIE AS EMPEROR

When the facts of history are written Haile Selassie of Abyssinia will go down as a great coward who ran away from his country to save his skin and left the millions of his countrymen to struggle through a terrible war that he brought upon them because of his political ignorance and his racial disloyalty.

It is a pity that a man of the limited intellectual calibre and weak political character like Haile Selassie became Emperor of Abyssinia at so crucial a time in the political history of the world. Unfortunately, Abyssinia lost the controlling influence of a political personality of patriotic racial character like the late Menelik, whose loyalty to his race and devotion to his country excelled all his other qualities, to the extent that he was able to use that very strength to continuously safeguard the interests of the Ethiopian Empire. What he did so well to preserve, a cringing, white slave hero worshipper, visionless and disloyal to his country, threw away. This is the impression the serious minded political student forms of the conduct of the ex-Emperor of Abyssinia.

EVERY NEGRO ASHAMED

Every Negro who is proud of his race must be ashamed of the way in which Haile Selassie surrendered himself to the white wolves of Europe. These statements may be considered very severe, and in fact, they are. We could have been otherwise apologetic and sympathetic, but that would have been only if we were dealing with a Coptic Priest or a Religious Monk and not a[n] Emperor who held and presided over the political trust of twelve million people of his own country, and the political destiny of the entire Negro race. This little misguided Emperor could not realise that he held in his hands the political trust of the hundreds of millions of Negroes of the world, men and women, who were looking up toward the firm establishment of political sovereignty, and that Ethiopia, like Liberia and Haiti were to them prizes of glory to be perpetuated and strengthened in the maintenance of the dignity of that black race that other men have claimed to be incompetent, inferior and unworthy, which every black man must disprove.

LOOKED WITH HOPE

When the war started in Abyssinia all Negro nationalists looked with hope to Haile Selassie. They spoke for him, they prayed for him, they sung for him, they did everything to hold up his hands, as Aaron did for Moses; but whilst the Negro peoples of the world were praying for the success of Abyssinia this little Emperor was undermining the fabric of his own kingdom by playing the fool with white men, having them advising him[,] having them telling him what to do, how to surrender, how to call off the successful thrusts of his Rases against the Italian invaders. Yes, they were telling him how to prepare his flight, and like an imbecilic child he followed every advice and then ultimately ran away from his country to England, leaving his people to be massacred by the Italians, and leaving the serious white world to laugh at every Negro and repeat the charge and snare - "he is incompetent," "we told you so." Indeed Haile Selassie has proved the incompetence of the Negro for political authority, but thank God there are Negroes who realise that Haile Selassie did not represent the truest qualities of the Negro race. How could he, when he wanted to play white? how could he, when he surrounded himself with white influence? how could he, when in a modem world, and in a progressive civilization, he preferred a slave State of black men than a free democratic country where the black citizens could rise to the same opportunities as white citizens in their democracies?

TELL THE TRUTH

The truth must be told so that the white world will realise that it was not the pride of the Negro that surrendered in Abyssinia. It was the disloyalty of a single man who was too silly to take pride in his race, who played such a game as to disgrace the political integrity of a noble people. The Negroes of Abyssinia and of the world are satisfied however that Abyssinia was not conquered by Italy and the European forces of Mussolini. Abyssinia was only conquered by the black levies of Italy. The Askaris have really been the victors in Abyssinia. [Rodolfo] Graziani only marched into Addis Ababa after he had made sure of the advanced guard of the Askaris. Every battle that the Italians won in Abyssinia resulted from the advanced charge of the Askaris. It was black men fighting black men, and this was made possible in Abyssinia because the regime of Haile Selassie had given a bad taste to the mouth, not only of the blacks of Abyssinia but of those of the surrounding territories. They felt that they had a cause against the Amharic white loving Emperor who liked to chain and flog black men, and whose brutality to them gave Mussolini the cause to fool the world that he was bestowing a blessing upon the people of Abyssinia by freeing them.

NO SLAVES

It was a piece of impertinence to suggest that black men should be held as slaves. We must admit that we glorified Haile Selassie when the war started, fought his battles to win international support, but we ever felt deep down in our hearts that he was a slave master. We had hoped that if Abyssinia had won that we would have forced the Government of Abyssinia to free the black whom they held as slaves. We would have preferred this than seeing the country taken by Mussolini or any European power; but now that the country is temporarily lost and the Emperor has cowardly exiled himself, the truth must be told.

WHAT RIGHT HAS HE?

The future freedom of Abyssinia must be built upon the highest principles of democracy. That is why it is preferable for the Abyssinian Negroes and the Negroes of the world to work for the restoration and freedom of the country without the assistance of Haile Selassie, because at best he is but a slave master. The Negroes of the Western World whose forefathers suffered for three hundred years under the terrors of slavery ought to be able to appreciate what freedom means. Surely they cannot feel justified in supporting any system that would hold their brothers in slavery in another country whilst they are enjoying the benefits of freedom elsewhere. The Africans who are free can also appreciate the position of slaves in Abyssinia. What right has the Emperor to keep slaves when all the democratic sections of the world were free, when men had the right to live, to develop, to expand, to enjoy all the benefits of human liberty[?]
The Emperor who has been exiled in Europe must have seen the civilization of Europe. In England where he lives he sees that men are not flogged and chained and kicked because of their colour or because of their condition, but where true human liberty guarantees to every man the happiest pursuit he can bring to himself. It has been reported that he is leaving England for Syria, where a large number of Abyssinian refugees are living. There is an interpretation that the decision to leave England and to live among "his people?" in Syria is to perpetuate his divine majesty in the presence of that king worship that he doesn't get in England, where men look at others as equals and not as masters by divine right. In truth, the Emperor is out of place in democratic England. He wants to be once more in the environment of the feudal Monarch who looks down upon his slaves and serfs with contempt. Except he changes the attitude of thinking himself better than the Negro who constitutes the larger number of Ethiopia and profit by the experience he has gained, he should not be a fit person to be in authority in the very country in which he was born. After all, Haile Selassie is just an ordinary man like any other human being. What right has he to hold men as slaves? It is only the misfortune of the slaves that causes him to be a slave master. Negroes who have the dignity of their race at heart resent the impertinence of anyone holding the blacks as slaves. Haile Selassie ought to realise this and abolish his foolish dream of being an Emperor of slaves and serfs and try to be an Emperor of noble men, and for him to be that he must himself be the noblest of them all. He hasn't proved his nobility in the war between Italy and Abyssinia. Ras Desta proved to be the Lord, the Nobleman of Ethiopia whilst Halle Selassie proved a cringing coward!
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seen! Ironie is that just before H.I.M came back to Ethiopia Garvey found out that he was already dead in the papers..which caused his second stroke and died again.
Jah works mystically..
i wounder what he would have written next if he was still alive!



Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 8/19/2008 5:20:11 PM
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John the Baptist doubted Iyasus Christ but he is still a prophet
Marcus Garvey died before he could overstand His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I JAH RASTAFARI

Haile Selassie I Lord of Lords and Savior


Messenger: Ras Daniel Sent: 8/20/2008 12:29:46 AM
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much thanks for the post and i have read this before. what i did not know is if Garvey ever wrote anything afterward. i have heard this compared to John the Baptist's doubt about Christ being the Saviour just before he was beheaded. anyway, i look forward to other Ras's reasoning on this article.

much peace and blessings.


Messenger: Prince Hotep Sent: 8/20/2008 5:58:41 AM
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blessed love my idren

well, I view this as the same as John the Baptist doubted that Jes-us Christ was the One, so did Garvey, One should watch Garvey documentary, it's posted here on the forum, just search it, to fully overstand, the part where Claudius Barnes says that he dreamed Garvey and Garvey said to him "do not worry I'm not dead, I'm only sleeping, everything is working according to plan" I can't lie, that part made me to shed a tear u know, give thanks for the Most Honorable Prophet Marcus Moses Garvey

Holy Emmanuel I Selassie I JAH Ras Tafar I


Messenger: Jah Bird Sent: 8/20/2008 7:58:00 AM
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greetings Prince Hotep,
INI sight it the same way..we see today still the power of Garvey agwan..
he is defenetly not dead but asleep. Jah knows all things best. but still ini sight too That Garvey used pretty heavy words.

Haile I Selassie I EVERLASTING


Messenger: wahdahdah Sent: 8/20/2008 7:44:10 PM
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RESPECT< TO ALL RASTA, SEEN, I SAY UNTO ALL GREETINGS!!! IN THE NAME OF H.I.M. JAH RASTAFARI SELASSIE I AND I RASTAFARI.
YES I, EVERY MAN DOUBT, DOUBT IS FROM FEAR. FEAR BREEDS DOUBT. WHIC IS FED BY IGNORANCE. THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE WISDOM AND OVERSTANDING.
THOS READING MAKE I THINK OF EVEN CHRIST AS HIS FLESH HUNG FROM THE WOODEN CROSS. LORD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME. IT IS WE WHO FORSAKE JAH. SEEN RESPECT TO THE MAN NAMED GARVEY HIM DOOING WHAT EVERY MAN HAS DONE. ONE LOVE IDREN AND SISTREN. LIVE LOVE AND LAUGH FOR JAH ZION GATES ARE OPENED. LET US GET READY TO WALK RIGHT IN. HOLA HOLA H.I.M. RESPECT TO ALL ONE LOVE ONE AIM ONE DESTINY... WAHDAHDAH...


Messenger: SunofMan Sent: 8/21/2008 1:03:47 PM
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Greetings...

Personally I always had a big problem with the article written by Marcus Garvey. Moreover, it is very hard for me to see the correlation between Garvey and John the Baptist. John the Baptist did not slander Christ and His Majesty did not exalt and refer to Garvery as a prophet either, as did Christ for John the Baptist.

Matthew 11

2When John heard in prison what Christ was doing, he sent his disciples 3to ask him, "Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?"

4Jesus replied, "Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[b]are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor. 6Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me."

7As John's disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: "What did you go out into the desert to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings' palaces. 9Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10This is the one about whom it is written:
" 'I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.'[c] 11I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. 13For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15He who has ears, let him hear.

So if anyone can provide more insight I would be glad to hear it because personally Garvey does not fit the mold in my eyes. This is not meant to degrade Marcus Garvey, but I am trying to overs his perfect place in the Trinity in light of this article.

SELAM


Messenger: Eleazar1234 Sent: 8/21/2008 1:45:13 PM
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Garvey was not perfect but consider the tribulation the man went through in performing his works. America was basically ruled by the KKK when Garvey was promoting the Black Star Line and Africa was an extremely taboo subject, especially for Black people. During the 20's the KKK were at the height of their power and they were not just in the South, they were nationwide. Garvey faced opposition from his own race as well as he had to deal with hustlers, swindlers, politicians, and on top of all that the white babylon government. Also, while Garvey was alive, it looked like Haile Selassie I might have lost the war to the Italians during the early years of the war when the Axis was winning more than the allies. So I can overstand why Garvey might have lost faith and doubted. Still I and I give thanks for the works Garvey performed, even if he did doubt Haile Selassie I and was a Roman Catholic.

Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,-
Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,

Can't get no food to eat,
Can't get no money to spend, Wo-oo-oo
Can't get no food to eat,
Can't get no money to spend, Woo -oo- oo

Come, little one and let me do what I can do for you
And you and you alone
Come, little one, wo-oo-oo
Let me do what I can do for you and you alone, woo-oo-oo

He who knows the right thing
And do it not
Shall be spanked with many stripes,

Weeping and wailing and moaning,
You've got yourself to blame, I tell you.
Do right do right do right do right do right,
Tell you to do right, Woo -oo- oo
Beg you to do right, Woo -oo- oo

Where is Bagawire, he's nowhere to be found
He can't be found
First betrayer who gave away Marcus Garvey
Son of Satan, First prophesy,
Catch them, Garvey old
Catch them Garvey, catch them Woo -oo- oo
Hold them Marcus, hold them Woo -oo- oo
Marcus Garvey, Marcus Woo -oo- oo

HAILE SELASSIE I LORD OF LORDS AND SAVIOR


Messenger: Ras power Sent: 8/21/2008 7:29:20 PM
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well the works of jah who can comprehend? its true he had doubts he is only human, i know it has in the bible said that the lord will do a work and in the latter days we shall consider it perfect, the prophets shall be confused, when i get it i will post it


marcus was out of place, remember he was racist no falt of his own, he suffered and saw abuse but his majesty is not the God of blacks only

and now who can point to a mistake in his judgements


Messenger: Ras KebreAB Sent: 8/21/2008 9:04:36 PM
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John was the same Elijah in that time, Garvey is John in this time.
It is not their personalities or what they belived that makes them one, but that they have been sent to do a Work
And Garvey did his work.
But he was still a man in flesh,with doubts and uncertainties,just like John was.
Sunofman said "John the Baptist did not slander Christ and His Majesty did not exalt and refer to Garvery as a prophet either, as did Christ for John the Baptist."
first let us say that time is not repeating so dont expect everything will happen just as it did before.
You say John did not slander Christ, but do you really know that?
Overstand,i am not saying that he did.
But you are just basing your assumption on just a few lines. A man speaks a few lines in seconds, but what about the minutes and the hours and the days and months of a manīs life. Everything that was said,thought and done cannot be recorded in a book.
But in these age of media,much more is recorded and not much is missed. So what Garvey wrote, in what was undoubtedly a moment of weakness and doubt is kept for all to see, and cause doubt in all who see it.
I mean you can clearly see from what is written that Garvey was just looking in from the outside, it was impossible for him to get a clear picture of what was happening, especially in that time,when Ethiopia was much backwards in terms of technology,media etc. Even today with all the tech and the news and such things,it is hard to get a clear picture of what is happening on the ground where there is conflict,anywhere.
I am certain of this because, anyone with a clear view of what was happening could not have written such an article. The article is so much full of error that it is hard to imagine that a man with the intelligence of Garvey wrote it. But no matter how intelligent a man is,he can only use the information available to him.

So do not let a moment of doubt of a blessed man cause you to doubt also.
Sight him for who He is,Marcus Mosiah Garvey,ini great teacher and Prophet,Elijah in this iwah, the same Moses who cried Let i People go, Blessings be unto him. Love Marcus.

Now Ras Power, who say Marcus is racist?



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